My concern is not primarily to understand Marx, but to understand what he himself was trying to understand - the realities of capitalism. The assumption of an equal rate of profit was an attempt to approach a closer to these realities than the assumptions made in Vol 1. But in the end, I think that it takes us further away from the realities, and that the theory in Vol I, is actually more realistic. What is scientifically interesting is to discover why the law of value, in its vol I form, holds. Paul C. _____________________________ I think our discussion on this issue is winding down. But our differences remain as far apart as ever. As a year or may be a couple of years ago I had mentioned that an economic theorist's interest in prices is not similar to the interest of a merchant. A merchant is certainly interested in no other price than the "real" price that his/her commodity would fetch. But the economic theorist is not selling any commodity and his/her livelihood does not depend on what prices happen to be in the market. So the question is why one would be interested in prices? Different theories get interested in the question of prices for different reasons. The neo-classical theory is primarily interested in a theory of resource allocation, where market prices play the role of allocating the resources. In Ricardo the problem was to determine the distribution of income among three classes and the law of its changes. A theory of prices was needed to homogenise the heterogeneous goods in such a way that price theory remains independent of distribution. In Marx a theory of prices is needed to insure the reproduction of the system, which intails realization of the surplus. Thus prices occupy different places and significance in different theoretical structure, and so are 'abstract' concepts. You seem to be interested in market prices per se, without specifying why should anybody be interested in prices? In a separate message you go on to take cheap shot at Sraffians by suggesting that Sraffian prices come out to be the worst estimate of real prices or something like that. I'm sure, in the same vain many engineers could go on discrediting quantum theory or theory of relativity or any other sophisticated theory in physics because they don't apply well in the engineers' real world. As you must know, when the reswitching debate was won by the Sraffians then many mediocre neo-classical economists went arround collecting real world data to show that in the real world reswitching did not occur. Then it was pointed out to them that the marginal productivity theory was not a generalisation from the observed phenomena but a logical deduction from certain neo-classical premises. It simply didn't matter what the real world data said. And to my knowledge, the leaders of the school such as Samuelson or Frank Hahn did not pic-up on such devastating "real world" critique of Sraffa's reswitching. Cheers, ajit sinha