On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Colin Danby wrote: > > Henwood's reply ("Vandana Shiva Again"), which simply repeated his prior > assertions at a heightened level of rudeness, is a good example of the kind > of arrogant insularity that our last post took exception to. I don't see Henwood's questioning of the consistency of Shiva's stance on science to be rude or merely ad hominem. He raises an important issue that should not be overlooked: what is the class basis of the questioning of technoscience that is now en vogue in some circles. I've been enrolled at the University of California, Santa Cruz (a hotbed of people who are critical of science in one way or another) for seven years now and my experience bears out Doug's observation. I've talked with lots of people about many abstract and concrete issues re: technoscience-- everyone from dyed-in-the-wool relativist post-structualists to ossified sectarian Marxists to middle class housewives to undocumented farm workers. Here's what I find: the only people who seriously entertain the idea of rejecting science and returning to some "non-Western" alternative to science (as if science were something limited to "Western" thought/practice) are people in the academy. Farm worker unions, for example, don't make their case about the deliterious effects of pesticides by claiming that the Virgin of Guadalupe appeared to them and told them so, rather, they appeal to controlled animal experiements, basic chemistry and biology texts and their own epidemiological studies. Similarly, the numerous anti-toxics groups set up their own studies and invest in computers and other gear so that they can meet rigorous scientific standars. Most importantly, these groups don't simply rely on technoscience as a rhetorical ploy (while they secretly consult chicken entrails to gather data), they mean it. Even the organic agriculture folk (who share much of Shiva's rural romanticism) depend heavily on technoscience to develop their growing techniques. Unlike Henwood, however, I'm not so sure how seriously to take all the Shiva-esque hoopla. I'm not at all convinced that many of her sort of ideas of anti-scientific rural romanticism have much influence in practical political circles. I see it more as an academic cattage industry that has little impact outside of the academy, especially on grass roots activists (much like post-structuralism). Let me end with the standard caveats that the above is based on my limited experience, etc., etc. Do others see Shiva-esque ideas as more practically influential than I am giving them credit? Will Hull