>Well, human progress is occurring. It is occurring while we have a 
>capitalist economic system. And no one today thinks the... non-capitalist 
>economic systems we saw during the twentieth century were faster roads for 
>human progress.

I'm sure there's _someone_ who thinks that the bureaucratic socialist 
economies were superior. Perhaps some of them participate in pen-l. So that 
negates this effort at the popularity poll method ("no one today thinks") 
of asserting the truth of a political position. (What did that other Karl 
say about the logical fallacy of appeal to popular opinion?) Or are you 
referring to a consensus of those with economic and political power, as you 
did in the midst of your long and illuminating defense of neoliberalism? or 
a consensus among neoclassical economists, purveyors of capitalist ideology?

It should also be remembered that the US and its allies made every possible 
effort to make sure that bureaucratic socialism failed, including invasion 
and assassination. They also set up the conditions so that "bureaucratic 
deformation" was more likely: military and economic attack, along with the 
encouragement of civil war, encourages the rise of the military, the 
increased role of loyalty criteria in judging individual merit, the 
suppression of civil liberties, etc. The US wars against Nicaragua and 
Chile showed the way in which our power elite fought even the possibility 
of a "good example" being established which might make capitalism (and of 
course the US) look bad.

Of course, it wasn't simply a US effort: the entire development of world 
capitalism has meant that the benefits of the system have been more likely 
to accrue to the rich countries while the costs are dumped on the poor 
ones. Marx's predictions of the rise of working-class movements -- a 
necessary component of the establishment of non-bureaucratic socialism -- 
applied best for the rich core, while his prediction  of economic crises 
and the like -- which have the impact which encourages the movement against 
capitalism -- applied best to the periphery. So the revolutions against 
capitalism were most likely to take place in poor countries desperate not 
for democracy as much as for the political independence and economic 
development that capitalism wasn't providing. So we see the rise of 
bureaucratic socialism as a lever to promote national capital accumulation 
-- substituting for capitalism -- rather than as a force for deepening and 
widening democracy. In the end, the bureaucratic-socialist countries failed 
because the bureaucracies which promoted economic growth became entrenched 
and corrupt and unable to promote the national economic development they 
promised. (I am not talking about Cuba, BTW, since its small size meant 
that its fate is totally dependent on its international environment, while 
meaning that no matter how bureaucratic its regime, the government's 
relationship with the people may be close than that of the US ruling class 
with its people.) Of course, the capitalist attack on these countries sped 
up the process.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & 
http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/JDevine.html

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