And now the latest hits from the Holier than Thou Marxist Chorus:

Perhaps Marx was utopian. But we will have to wait until we have a socialists
society, in order to find out. The Soviet Union called itself socialist but it
wasn't.


>      I did not mean that the vision was pathetic.  I
> meant that the actual outcome in light of the vision/
> (forecast) was pathetic.
> --


<< Interesting musings Carrol, but words have meanings, and what most people 
mean by
 the word socialism is not what was seen in the USSR. You can call it what 
you want,
 but I don't call it socialism. >>


Actually, isn't it a big part of our problem that what _most people_ DO mean 
by "socialism" what they had in the USSR? 

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