Yes I know you have a lot more meaty stuff to think about right now. But you all know damn well that the "Re Utopias" thread may return eventually. These are just some useful on-line resources to keep on file for when that happens. The first item on the list is by me -- because I don't DO humility. The rest are genuine Robin Hahnel and Michael Albert compositions. I've created a summary of the PE model, short on arguments, long on correct pricing and incentives. Being the sort who is unable to see a beautifully balanced machine without getting the urge to tinker, and being unable to see something good without criticizing it for not being perfect, naturally I've added some comments of my own. Also, naturally, the parts not explicitly labeled comment are still my personal view of what A&H meant and are not endorsed by them in any way. This URL for this is:: http://www.lol.shareworld.com/leftonl/lipow.htm A&H also have posted their own summary on this which is a little more sketchy about how the model works. It gives a great sketch of arguments about why something like Parecon is needed. http://www.lol.shareworld.com/HahnelURPE.htm Robin Hahnel also gave a talk on disputes and common ground between democratic planners and market socialists: http://www.lol.shareworld.com/ZMag/Articles/hahnelumasstalk.htm The ZNet bulletin board is now working fine. (Let it not crash after my saying so publicly). The forums work via browser, (not by news reader) but are still a little slow. If you want to get into the Parecon forums start at http://www.lol.shareworld.com/leftonl/ZNETTOPnoanimation.html and follow the prompts to forums and parecon forum. Michael Albert also has ten lectures posted on the subject which are extremely long and far more elementary than "Looking Forward". These can be found at: http://www.lol.shareworld.com/Parecon/10lecs.htm Lastly there is an article of interest on Marxism by Michael Albert. It does not directly deal with Parecon, but gives you a better idea of the overall perspective than led Michael at least to spend the time it cost to come up with Parecon. Most of the sources this article cites are join works by MA and Robin Hahnel, so I assume to represents (at least in part) Robin Hahnel's thinking as well. http://www.lol.shareworld.com/marxismarticle.htm If anyone is interested in the article I mentioned, but has to pay per minute to browse, (or uses a super slow shared browser), I will be happy to forward any of the above articles upon request via e-mail. (The only exception is the ten lectures, which are too long and in too many pieces for me to e-mail conveniently.) You can reach me to request this at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Gar Lipow Olympia, Washington.