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Charles writes: >Yes, and what about electric powered vehicles ? Do they 
depend on fosssil fuels ultimately ?<

Of course, electricity can be generated by solar power, wind power, tidal 
power, etc. But the discussion on pen-l concerning this issue strongly 
suggests that it's not fossil fuels (and their limited supply) _per se_ 
that are the problem. Rather, it's the pollution that's the problem. 

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CB: I agree that there is the pollution problem. However, I have not been persuaded by 
PEN-L discussion that limited supply of fossil fuels is not a second problem along 
with pollution, global warming and otherwise.  We have two big problems: pollution and 
depletion.  Right now I am focussing on the latter.  I don't see anybody clearly 
disproving Mark Jones and Lou Proyect's arguments that running out of fossil fuels IN 
MUCH , MUCH LESS THAN A MILLION YEARS, like at most a century or two,  is a big 
problem as well as pollution.

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Some 
fossil fuels -- e.g., natural gas -- seem to pollute less (though I'd like 
to hear an expert on this issue).

BTW, I think we should move toward the best European model -- and beyond. 
There's no need to be limited by what's already been done.

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CB: Definitely. Agree.

As you and I said, what about solar ?

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