Doug: >I read Hughes, Cronon, and Harvey as saying that humans have always had and >always will have complicated and difficult relations with their natural >environment, and that every society shapes and reshapes its physical >environment in distinctive ways. Then I suppose all the debates within the environmental movement (Worster vs Cronon) and within the Marxist movement (Foster vs. Harvey) are just a misunderstanding. Louis Proyect (http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html)