Michael Keaney wrote: > it is up to people like us to > ensure that those countries sponsoring the intervention are pressured into a > following a genuinely humanitarian course NO! NO! NO! Back in the 1950s there was a fad of "The height of" jokes. The height of arrogance was a flea approaching an elephant with intentions of rape. That seems to me a good model for your view that anything at all in this instance is "up to us." Our responsibility is to continue various random efforts to build our strength to the point where it makes sense to say something is up to us. And I want to emphasize the random because we are at present too weak to consult with each other on non-random choices of action. Fussing about what we should do in East Timor is counterproductive in respect to our real responsibilities. Carrol