I thought it was Charles Kingsley, the minister and author of Water Babies, who
originally said that religion was the opiate of the people but I may be
mistaken.
   Cheers, Ken Hanly

Jim Devine wrote:

> I wrote:
> > >As Hitler allegedly asked (or was it Stalin?), how
> > >many battalions does the Pope have?
> > >
> > >Fight the power, not the people's faith.
>
> Yoshie writes:
> >It is hoped that, in the process of fighting the power, people will also
> >drop any religious faith.
>
> I agree that the abolition of religious faith -- including atheism -- would
> be a good thing, but it's more of a symptom than a cause. (Some of the
> worst folk have been secular or nonreligious. For example, Jabotinsky, a
> leader of  "revisionist" Zionism -- i.e., right-wing Zionism -- and quite a
> terrorist, was secular. A lot of tyrants profess religion but are
> irreligious in practice.)
>
> Some hairy old German guy said that religion was the opiate of the masses
> (quoting others, including Kant, I believe).  But he broke with the
> hard-core atheism of the Young Hegelians (who seem to have viewed religion
> as a basic cause of the world's manifest imperfection) to point to the
> societal basis of religious faith. He then argued the need to change that
> society rather than to try to convert the world to atheism.
>
> I guess that all this fits with what Yoshie says, but it's good to clarify
> the Left's attitude toward religion. After all, much of the Left has
> religion of one sort or another.
>
> Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
> http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/JDevine.html



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