Is Lou sure the Spoons Marxism list archives are not accessible
anymore? At least via google and then clicking the cache link
I've read some of those old screamathons. Recently read some
pro-nuke shiite from Comrade Martens, for example there on those
lists. Michael Pugliese
>From: "J. Barkley Rosser, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date: 3/27/01 12:54:45 PM
>
>Louis,
> Well, michael probably does not want us to
>get into some kind of OPE-L discussion (and
>I suspect you don't really want to either, Louie),
>but what you have quoted in no way implies
>what you have deciphered from it, although I
>think you are probably correct about what Steve's
>views of things are.
> In short, although it is widely and deeply entrenched
>out there that he did, Marx never labeled what he had
>as a "labor theory of value." He always referred to the
>"theory of value." Steve's remarks are perfectly consistent
>with Marx and perfectly consistent with being a socialist,
>even if he is not one and just some reprobate social
>democratic semi-Post Keynesian (he has a lot of
>criticisms of Post Keynesians, although he comes closer
>to identifying with them than with any other postion, his
>critical remarks in that regard engendering considerable
>discussion during the seminar on the Post Keynesian
>Thought (pkt) list, big surprise).
>Barkley Rosser
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Louis Proyect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 8:25 AM
>Subject: [PEN-L:9595] Re: Interesting new book?
>
>
>> >Louis, your comment re the welfare state is intriguing. Resisting
>> >caricature, what exactly is Keen's justification for claiming
that to
>move
>> >beyond the welfare state would be disastrous?
>> >
>> >Michael K.
>>
>> I'll let Steve speak for himself:
>>
>> "Post Keynesian economics is thus not as eclectic as both
its major
>> proponents and opponents believe; it has merely lacked a clearly
>> articulated theory of value, and an axiomatic basis derived
from that
>> theory of value. Both of these exist in Marx, and can be adopted
by Post
>> Keynesians without fear of contamination by the labor theory
of value, and
>> without abandoning any of the valued aspects of Keynes's philosophical
>> approach to economics."
>>
>>
>ftp://csf.colorado.edu/econ/authors/Keen.Steve/A_Marx_for_Post_Keynesians.tx
>t
>>
>> In other words, he is an advocate of welfare state capitalism,
not
>> socialism. Like many other left economists who find capitalism
a nasty
>> business, there is a tendency to embellish what is basically
an
>> accomodationist approach with a dollop or two of Marxish thought
or
>> terminology. Mostly, I find this sort of thing harmless unless
the author
>> is claiming the mantle of Marx, which to Steve's credit he
does not do. As
>> far as him wringing his hands over the terrible tragedy of
Bolshevism, I
>> can't come up with anything since the archives for the old
Marxism list
>> were flushed down the toilet after the Spoons Collective postmodernists
>> gave us the boot.
>>
>> Louis Proyect
>> Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org
>>
>>
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