David Shemano wrote:
> >       1.      Why, with the exception of United Airlines, did every 
> major interstate
> >airline testify against deregulation?  And how come the legislation passed
> >notwithstanding their opposition?

I would guess that they opposed the legislation in order to make sure that 
the kind of "deregulation" that prevailed fit with their perceived profit 
needs. Of course, there were folks from other industries who lobbying for 
other kinds of "deregulation" that served _their_ needs, so there's nothing 
that says that the airlines' interests would automatically prevail. (This 
was a stagflationary period and advocates of "deregulation" such as Alfred 
Kahn touted their program as an anti-inflationary one. More generally, U.S. 
capitalism wasn't working very well -- i.e., the profit rate was depressed 
-- and a bunch of capitalist interest groups united in order to restructure 
the system to boost profitability. This movement really took power with 
Reagan.) The actual legislation that prevails depends on the interaction of 
the vectors of interests (backed by money) of the various industrial blocs 
and alliances.[*] (Actual citizens are woefully unrepresented in 
Washington, DC and often end up aligned with one industrial bloc or another.)

In many ways, the established airlines -- that had been created by the 
Federal government cartel (the CAB) in an earlier era -- had a lot to lose 
from the kind of deregulation that was instituted, as new companies such as 
People Express entered. And lose they did: many of the old airlines are 
gone (TWA, Pan Am).  Of course, most of the upstarts -- like People Express 
-- are also gone. United seems to have correctly predicted that they could 
survive the hurly-burly. They had the advantages of economies of scale, the 
financial resources, the political connections, etc.

Despite the pretensions that "deregulation" would replace the old 
government-sponsored cartel with universally-beneficial 
competition,  instead the final results seems to be a combination of local 
monopolies (at hubs and low-volume routes) and oligopoly (on high-volume 
routes). Workers and most consumers have been the losers, along with some 
shareholders (though if they were smart they would have diversified, so the 
losses were minor).

In response to David's questions above, Louis Proyect writes:
<Because they didn't recognize their own long-term class interests as well
<as bourgeois intellectuals such as Alfred Kahn did. This is the role of the
<intelligentsia, to raise such ideas. It is the role of the bourgeois state
<apparatus to then act upon it. FDR functioned in the same manner in the
<1930s when he pushed for regulation. The last of the "New Dealers", Ted
<Kennedy, was responding to the same class interests when he fought for
<deregulation.

David ripostes: >This is a very interesting theory you have.  Whatever the 
government does, by definition, is in the long-term class interests of 
industry/business/bourgeois/guys who wear tophats/play golf, even if the 
industry strenuously opposes the government action.  No wonder Marxist 
analysis is never wrong.<

I can't speak for Louis, but the idea that "whatever the government does, 
by definition, is in the long-term class interests of" the bourgeoisie is a 
very simplistic version of the Marxian theory of the state. It's absolutely 
true, to my mind at least, that the state under capitalism works to serve 
the class interests of the capitalist class under normal conditions. These 
interests center around the preservation of class privileges, of capitalist 
property. (Sweezy's chapter on the state in his THEORY OF CAPITALIST 
DEVELOPMENT is very good.) However, beyond that, capitalist class interests 
become vague, since the future is uncertain: no-one knew if Alfred Kahn's 
scheme would serve the long-term interests of capital at the time. We still 
don't know, but strictly speaking the nature of the long-term class 
interests of the capitalist class can only be determined after the fact 
(and the long-term implications of that scheme aren't all in yet).

This opens the state to two kinds of deviations from what's good for 
capital. First, in the short run, in many cases, the short-term interests 
of particular power blocs within capital can dominate, going against what 
most people would agree are the long-term interests of capital. For 
example, a lot of George Dumbya's programs seem to go against what's good 
for capital. Continuing the slighting of public health by the Clinton 
administration, for example, risks the rise of plagues that hurt 
capitalists along with workers and could even shake the social order that 
allows the capitalists to exploit workers (though frankly such is likely to 
promote barbarism more than it does socialism). BTW, this picture of the 
general interest of capital vs. the particular interests of capitals is 
reflected (in a mystified form) in the mainstream liberal vision of the 
"public interest" vs. special interests.

Second, if working class or other dominated groups can organize and gather 
a lot of power, they can push the government away from serving the 
short-term interests of capitalists and even the long-term interests of 
capital. The latter was seen, for example, with the election of Salvadore 
Allende to the presidency of Chile in 1971. But even though he had 
governmental power, state power (Pinochet, the CIA, etc.) eventually 
smashed Allende and the Unidad Popular government. The power of the working 
class has to  be widened and deepened in order to counteract the power of 
capitalists and capital. Among other things, the state repressive power has 
to be taken away from capital's lackeys. (I'm being nice to Pinochet by 
calling him merely a "lackey.")

[*] Sometimes the way I think about politics is in terms of the physics of 
motion. There are vectors of forces pulling on the government in different 
directions in n-dimensional space. Each vector is given weight by the 
amount of money and influence of its backers. The actual result is the 
resultant of all those vectors.

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] &  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine

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