the battles for the minds is already won. in the middle east there is something called autorepression and this is different than nordic self repression. after years of brutality middle east regimes won the minds. this goes as follows. every person appoints a little police officer inside his mind to stop the person thinking about political issues. this is so for fear of repression in case any anti regime thought slips out. not only language control but thought control. --- "Brownson, Jamil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Back in the days of gentlemanly conflicts, at least > among the upper class > officer cadres, surrenders were ritual events with > due protocol and mutual > respect within military elites. But long gone are > those days, as the Brits > complained that Americans did not fight fair in > their war for independence. > Yet even the Gulf War conclusion was a less than > unconditional surrender > negotiated between General Schwartzkopf & his Iraqi > military counterpart. So > perhaps a case-by-case account is needed to flesh > out any blanket statement > on this proposed propensity of the USA to demand > unrealistic conditions for > surrender. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carrol Cox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 3:19 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [PEN-L:19545] Re: America is losing the > battle forhearts and > minds > > > > > James Devine wrote: > > > > > > the grunts didn't know that an invasion of Japan > wasn't really > > necessary, since Japan was trying to surrender > anyway. The > > Japanese elite wanted to keep its emperor, but the > US wanted > > "unconditional surrender." In the end, despite the > A-bombs, > > the Japanese kept their emperor. > > > > What I've often wondered is whether even the > invasion of Okinawa was > necessary? It is hard even to arrive at a rough > estimate of the millions > that have died as a result of the U.S. focus on > "unconditional > surrender." (That seems to have been one of the > sticking point even in > the two wars the U.S. lost -- Korea & Vietnam. The > eventual settlements > could have been arrived at must sooner had the U.S. > not clung to its > unrealistic goal.) > > I think it is debatable whether the war in Europe > had to go beyond the > successful establishment of the Normany invasion. > What might have been > the result of a really open invitation to the > Germans to negotiate? > > Carrol >
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