Thanks!  Could you post some specific references for Ravetz and Funtowicz?
I agree with a lot (I think most) of the specifics you raise, but such a
diffuse critique runs the risk of not communicating itself beyond the small
circle of people who go through the whole thing systematically.  Is there a
bumper sticker version?

Peter

"Forstater, Mathew" wrote:

> Hi Peter -
>
> I have taken a multi-pronged approach that includes arguments about
> valuation problems (criticisms of contingent valuation, travel cost, and
> other methods); an alternative view of social costs based on Kapp's work
> that includes cumulative causation; critique of "optimality" notions
> based on preferences, productivity, and profitability (all narrowly
> defined) and the inability of cost-benefit solutions to fully consider
> what I call "biophysical conditions for a sustainable economy";
> critiques of neoclassical-Coasian-'tragedy of the commons' notions of
> 'property' and historical evidence concerning forms of property and the
> social institutions that mediate resource use; knowledge problems
> concerning human impact on the environment under conditions of radical
> or fundamental uncertainty (do you know the work of Ravetz and
> Funtowicz, by the way, some of the best stuff on this I know of?);
> alternative theories of price and value and critiques of neoclassical
> price theory; emphasis on the distinction between cost-benefit and
> cost-effectiveness analyses; etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
>
> If by the time I'm done my opponents are not convinced, at least they
> are worn out or asleep.
>
> I admit that I have made some mistakes in the past (wow!) and have had
> to modify some of my claims.
>
> Once when I was giving a job talk for a position that was a joint appt
> in economics and environmental studies, after a long day of individual
> and group interviews with faculty and students of both programs, after
> going through all the above, elaborating during a long q and a period,
> someone in the audience asked me: "but why does it matter if humanity
> survives [or survives longer than the amount of time it will take to
> wear out the earth if we continue on the present path]?"
>
> Mat

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