Tom Walker wrote:

>This kind of hijacking selected words out of context and insinuating that
>they mean something else is pointless. I would say juvenile, but would be
>insulting to children. The context was the role of advertising in the media
>and culture. The point is about advertisers promising people things they
>can't deliver.

And my juvenile point was that a lot of this critique is a rather 
undigested rehash of a lot of Puritan hair-shirt crap. You may think 
the quote is out of context - I think it's a revealing expression of 
anxiety over pleasure and sensuality. It is also likely to have 
little political appeal beyond a rather affluent gang of PC lefties 
(or the voluntarily poor).

I'm with Mandel on this one.

Doug

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Ernest Mandel, Late Capitalism, pp. 394-396:

>6. The genuine extension of the needs (living standards) of the 
>wage-earner, which represents a raising of his level of culture and 
>civilization. In the end this can be traced back virtually 
>completely to the conquest of longer time for recreation, both 
>quantitatively (a shorter working week, free weekends, paid 
>holidays, earlier pensionable age, and longer education) and 
>qualitatively (the actual extension of cultural needs, to the extent 
>to which they are not trivialized or deprived of their human content 
>by capitalist commercialization). This genuine extension of needs is 
>a corollary of the necessary civilizing function of capital. Any 
>rejection of the so-called 'consumer society' which moves beyond 
>justified condemnation of the commercialization and dehumanization 
>of consumption by capitalism to attack the historical extension of 
>needs and consumption in general (i.e., moves from social criticism 
>to a critique of civilization), turns back the clock from scientific 
>to utopian socialism and from historical materialism to idealism. 
>Marx fully appreciated and stressed the civilizing function of 
>capital, which he saw as the necessary preparation of the material 
>basis for a 'rich individuality'. The following passage from the 
>Grundrisse makes this view very clear: 'Capital's ceaseless striving 
>towards the general form of wealth drives labour beyond the limits 
>of its natural paltriness, and thus creates the material elements 
>for the development of the rich individuality which is as all-sided 
>in its production as in its consumption, and whose labour also 
>therefore appears no longer as labour, but as the full development 
>of activity itself, in which natural necessity in its direct form 
>has disappeared; because a historically created need has taken the 
>place of the natural one.'
>
>For socialists, rejection of capitalist 'consumer society' can 
>therefore never imply rejection of the extension and differentiation 
>of needs as a whole, or any return to the primitive natural state of 
>these needs; their aim is necessarily the development of a 'rich 
>individuality' for the whole of mankind. In this rational Marxist 
>sense, rejection of capitalist 'consumer society' can only mean: 
>rejection of all those forms of consumption and of production which 
>continue to restrict man's development, making it narrow and 
>one-sided. This rational rejection seeks to reverse the relationship 
>between the production of goods and human labour, which is 
>determined by the commodity form under capitalism, so that 
>henceforth the main goal of economic activity is not the maximum 
>production of things and the maximum private profit for each 
>individual unit of production (factory or company), but the optimum
>self-activity of the individual person. The production of goods must 
>be subordinated to this goal, which means the elimination of forms 
>of production and labour which damage human health and man's natural 
>environment, even if they are 'profitable' in isolation. At the same 
>time, it must be remembered that man as a material being with 
>material needs cannot achieve the full development of a 'rich 
>individuality' through asceticism, self-castigation and artificial 
>self-limitation, but only through the rational development of his 
>consumption, consciously controlled and consciously (i.e., 
>democratically) subordinated to his collective interests.
>
>Marx himself deliberately pointed out the need to work out a system 
>of needs, which has nothing to do with the neo-asceticism peddled in 
>some circles as Marxist orthodoxy. In the Grundrisse Marx says: 'The 
>exploration of the earth in all directions, to discover new things 
>of use as well as new useful qualities of the old; such as new 
>qualities of them as raw materials; the development, hence, of the 
>natural sciences to their highest point; likewise the discovery, 
>creation and satisfaction of new needs arising from society itself; 
>the cultivation of all the qualities of the social human being, 
>production of the same in a form as rich as possible in needs, 
>because rich in qualities and relations - production of this being 
>as the most total and universal possible social product, for, in 
>order to take gratification in a many-sided way, he must be capable 
>of many pleasures, hence cultured to a high degree - is likewise a 
>condition of production founded on capital....

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