On 2002.05.28 08:05 AM, "Carrol Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I can't find the or original post you are responding to. And where does
> the Marx quote come from?
> 
> Carrol
> 
> Sabri Oncu wrote:
>> 
>>> reads like Humean instrumentalism to me.............
>>> 
>>> Ian
>> 
>> That should be your expertise so I make no comments about this.
>> My only concern is with Marx's writing style. I find him very
>> difficult to read. For example, this sentence:
>> 
>>> If, therefore, industry is conceived as the exoteric
>>> revelation of man's essential powers, we also gain an
>>> understanding of the human essence of nature or the
>>> natural essence of man.
>> 
>> What exactly this sentence says, I am not sure. Maybe, partly
>> because he wrote the original in German and this is a
>> not-so-great translation and partly because to me English is a
>> code I am decoding. Nevertheless, it is a difficulty I have to
>> live with I suppose.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Sabri
> 
Again I cite Marx's manuscript about natural science
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The natural sciences have developed an enormous activity and have
accumulated an ever-growing mass of material. Philosophy, however, has
remained just as alien to them as they remain to philosophy. Their momentary
unity was only a chimerical illusion. The will was there, but the power was
lacking. Historiography itself pays regard to natural science only
occasionally, as a factor of enlightenment, utility, and of some special
great discoveries. But natural science has invaded and transformed human
life all the more practically through the medium of industry; and has
prepared human emancipation, although its immediate effect had to be the
furthering of the dehumanisation of man. Industry is the actual, historical
relationship of nature, and therefore of natural science, to man. If,
therefore, industry is conceived as the exoteric revelation of man's
essential powers, we also gain an understanding of the human essence of
nature or the natural essence of man. In consequence, natural science will
lose its abstractly material — or rather, its idealistic — tendency, and
will become the basis of human science, as it has already become — albeit
in an estranged form — the basis of actual human life, and to assume one
basis for life and a different basis for science is as a matter of course a
lie. <The nature which develops in human history — the genesis of human
society — is man's real nature; hence nature as it develops through
industry, even though in an estranged form, is true anthropological nature.>

Sense-perception (see Feuerbach) must be the basis of all science. Only when
it proceeds from sense-perception in the two-fold form of sensuous
consciousness and sensuous need — is it true science. All history is the
history of preparing and developing "man" to become the object of sensuous
consciousness, and turning the requirements of "man as man" into his needs.
History itself is a real part of natural history of nature developing into
man. Natural science will in time incorporate into itself the science of
man, just as the science of man will incorporate into itself natural
science: there will be one science.

Man is the immediate object of natural science; for immediate, sensuous
nature for man is, immediately, human sensuousness (the expressions are
identical) — presented immediately in the form of the other man sensuously
present for him. Indeed, his own sense-perception first exists as human
sensuousness for himself through the other man. But nature is the immediate
object of the science of man: the first — object of man — man — is
nature, sensuousness; and the particular human sensuous essential powers can
only find their self-understanding in the science of the natural world in
general, just as they can find their objective realisation only in natural
objects. The element of thought itself — the element of thought's living
expression — language — is of a sensuous nature. The social reality of
nature, and human natural science, or the natural science of man, are
identical terms. 

<It will be seen how in place of the wealth and poverty of political economy
come the rich human being and the rich human need. The rich human being is
simultaneously the human being in need of a totality of human manifestations
of life — the man in whom his own realisation exists as an inner necessity,
as need. Not only wealth, but likewise the poverty of man — under the
assumption of socialism — receives in equal measure a human and therefore
social significance. 

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