On Dec 11, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Jim Devine wrote:

Shane Mage:
The point, however, is that, for the most obvious geographical reasons, a *successful* attack would not be militarily conceivable without the use of Iraqi territory and territorial waters. It would also be politically impossible without the acquiescence of the Shiite Iraqi government. Both are precluded by the SOFA.<

But what are the standards of "success"? if this means "conquest,"
then Iraq is definitely needed as a base. But if it simply means
strategic bombing of a limited number of sites, is Iraq really needed?
Israel once bombed Iraq without having any near-by bases.


But Saddam had no way to retaliate. Iranian retaliation for "strategic bombing" could and would be devastating, including within Iraq. War is therefore militarily unthinkable, leaving Obama no option but to negotiate a US-Iranian condominium in Iraq on the least unfavorable terms he can manage. The main thing he can get in return is a big role for the US nuclear industry in Iran's (stupid) nuclear program.

Shane Mage

This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it
always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire,
kindling in measures and going out in measures."

Herakleitos of Ephesos

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