Carrol Cox wrote:
> For nearly a century and a half (up to post-war years) the mass of the
> working class as well as the mass of the (potential) reserve army (small
> farmers in the u.s. plus peasantry in nations with large migrations to
> the u.s.) == workers and potential workers -- lived in [pretty] dire
> straits, those conditions be the base of the radical movements that
> emerged (but never really got anywhere). In other words, capitalism can
> get along pretty well with an impoverished mass of workers and
> unemployed.

Right. In China, for example, capitalism does pretty well despite low
wages, "Dickensian" conditions, etc.

> That is a fifth (I lost track of the number) alternative in response to
> growing unemployment. I gather that the bulk of marxists still cling to
> the idea that misery breeds resistance...

I don't think that they do -- but someone should hire Gallup to do a
poll, to see whether or not Marxists "cling" to the idea that "the
worse the better." (This was a slogan or at least an attitude of the
old German CP. According to the Wikipedia, Nikolay Chernyshevsky, the
non-Marxian author of the novel "What Is to Be Done?," may have
originated this slogan.)

> When Luxemburg coined her slogan, "Socialism or Barbarianism," she was
> [not] simply urging the [troops] on -- she believed (rightly I think) that
> in a world in which the major force was contingency, barbarism was at
> least as likely, perhaps more likely, than [socialism].
>
> I think the last 100 years have confirmed her fears.

Of course, there's also "socialist barbarism," as seen (for example)
in the1930s in the USSR.
-- 
Jim Devine / "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your own
way and let people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante.
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