Ooh! Well said! Especially the last line! This is a strong interest of yours, right? Please develop it further - article? Book? (Perhaps you can pull together some other PEN-L posts and create an outline from that?)

- Bill

On 05/09/2013 3:36 PM, [email protected] wrote:
With enough effort and  discipline lots can be learned online. And
> yes, if I lived in some remote village with no school but access to
> the internet (interesting proposition) and a power supply, I might
> be interested in online learning.
>
> But to think of learning as the relationship between a learner and
> some given subject matter is profoundly distorting.
>
> Learning is first and foremost a relationship between two people. In
> the context of history, education is the relationship between one
> generation and the next. It is the generation of the parents telling
> the generation of the children what matters and why. They do this
> not only by defining curriculum, but by illustrating via their own
> commitment to the subject matter, why it matters, how it matters,
> when it matters....etc.
>
> Although teaching institutions are often built around hierarchies,
> dominance, and obedience, there is still in the experience of the
> classroom the reality as experienced by the students vs the reality
> of the teacher. And though it might not be expressed openly, and
> though it might not change teaching practice, there is an infinitely
> higher chance that it will change reality with face-to-face learning
> than with distance learning. At the very least, the political aspect
> of education is much more visible with the traditional model than
> with the online model.
>
> Much more can be said, but I'll only add that with the move to
> online learning, another massive expropriation of social space will
> have succeeded. And let's not kid ourselves; this will not happen
> because online learning is better. It will happen because it is yet
> another way to guarantee profits and to fragment and isolate the
> working class. There is both an economic and a political dimension to
> this move, and they are both horrendous.
>
> Online learning makes the structure of domination absolute, the
> prospect of appeal, unrealistic, and the likelihood of universal
> surveillance, a sure bet.
>
> Joanna
>
>
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