I second Bill's comments.  Have also forwarded yours to friends in the 
California Faculty Association who are dealing with the online 
"learning" issue.

Larry Shute

On 5/9/13 4:32 PM, William Quimby wrote:
> Ooh! Well said! Especially the last line! This is a strong interest of
> yours, right? Please develop it further - article? Book?
> (Perhaps you can pull together some other PEN-L posts and create an
> outline from that?)
>
> - Bill
>
> On 05/09/2013 3:36 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> With enough effort and  discipline lots can be learned online. And
>  > yes, if I lived in some remote village with no school but access to
>  > the internet (interesting proposition) and a power supply, I might
>  > be interested in online learning.
>  >
>  > But to think of learning as the relationship between a learner and
>  > some given subject matter is profoundly distorting.
>  >
>  > Learning is first and foremost a relationship between two people. In
>  > the context of history, education is the relationship between one
>  > generation and the next. It is the generation of the parents telling
>  > the generation of the children what matters and why. They do this
>  > not only by defining curriculum, but by illustrating via their own
>  > commitment to the subject matter, why it matters, how it matters,
>  > when it matters....etc.
>  >
>  > Although teaching institutions are often built around hierarchies,
>  > dominance, and obedience, there is still in the experience of the
>  > classroom the reality as experienced by the students vs the reality
>  > of the teacher. And though it might not be expressed openly, and
>  > though it might not change teaching practice, there is an infinitely
>  > higher chance that it will change reality with face-to-face learning
>  > than with distance learning. At the very least, the political aspect
>  > of education is much more visible with the traditional model than
>  > with the online model.
>  >
>  > Much more can be said, but I'll only add that with the move to
>  > online learning, another massive expropriation of social space will
>  > have succeeded. And let's not kid ourselves; this will not happen
>  > because online learning is better. It will happen because it is yet
>  > another way to guarantee profits and to fragment and isolate the
>  > working class. There is both an economic and a political dimension to
>  > this move, and they are both horrendous.
>  >
>  > Online learning makes the structure of domination absolute, the
>  > prospect of appeal, unrealistic, and the likelihood of universal
>  > surveillance, a sure bet.
>  >
>  > Joanna
>  >
>  >
>  >
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