I do want to apologize to Raghu for my too quick 'reading'of  (actually,
listening to) of his post. He had a right to complain. But I also agree with
mjs below; raghu's argument doesn't save "intelligence" as an objective
trait of a person..

Carrol

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> > As soon as you refer to IQ you lose me. Can you restate your argument
> > without  such mythology.
> 
> Raghu's argument is that intelligence is like beauty: there's
> no scalar metric like IQ -- that's a myth, as he agrees -- but
> we can all tell a stupid person from an intelligent person, just as
> we can all tell an attractive person from a troll.
> 
> It's an original argument -- or at least, I haven't heard it before --
> but it gives away a lot to the anti-intelligence crowd, like Carrol
> and me.
> 
> After all, everybody knows that beauty is in the eye of the beholder;
> what was beautiful to Rubens is pretty repulsive to a lot of people
> nowadays.
> 
> So it's odd to see Raghu in the same breath claiming that Obama
> is 'objectively' more intelligent than Bush. How can something so
> subjective be objectively determined?
> 
> Perhaps this is shorthand. Perhaps the objectivity of Obama's
> greater intelligence consists in the claim that most currently
> living subjectivities would concur that I(Obie) > I(Bushie).
> 
> Hmm. Well, would they?
> 
> I think I know what lies behind all this foofaraw. Obie talks
> like a teacher, and Bushie talks like a frat boy. That's what
> it boils down to, really.
> 
> 
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