On 2013-10-07, at 6:33 PM, Julio Huato wrote:

> Marv,
> 
> Another factor is what Rudolf Bahro called "compensatory interests" (the 
> myriad ways of pacifying and diverting the workers' "free time" towards 
> activities that reinforce the status quo), which in tandem with the more 
> concentrated forms of ideological reproduction carried out in our 
> colleges/universities and by media, think tanks, and other apparata, have 
> turned into massive industries in our societies/times.  I used to be 
> skeptical of the critique of "consumerism" (in the Third World more 
> consumption is a necessary condition for worker survival, let alone political 
> activity), but I am now more inclined to see how harmful and energy diverting 
> it is among US workers.  It is a black hole that sucks a lot of subversive 
> potential.  

Of course - a major factor since the postwar expansion. Thanks Julio. 

> This puts the onus on the left's theoretical/propagandistic work, especially 
> with the youth, almost as an activity with ample autonomy from pressing, 
> immediate political concerns.

What more precisely do you mean? 

> On Monday, October 7, 2013, Marv Gandall wrote:
> 
> On 2013-10-07, at 10:29 AM, Carrol Cox wrote:
> 
> > Overwork and penury are both effective forces of repression. The danger of
> > shorter hours for capitalism is that leisure time breeds left political
> > activity.
> 
> I don't know that you can say that. The oppressively long hours of highly 
> exploited workers in the mines, mills, factories, and fields were a major 
> contributing factor to the unrest which spawned the early trade union and 
> socialist movement. Though the pressures are mounting, today's office workers 
> have relatively more leisure time and better conditions, but it has not 
> translated into left political activity remotely resembling that of earlier 
> generations. Quite the opposite, as we know. I'd look first to the 
> combination of severe exploitation, the demand for labour in an expanding 
> economy, and the concentration of the industrial workforce in factories and 
> factory towns and neighbourhoods as key factors which produced militant and 
> often violent protest at the turn of the last century. These conditions are 
> no longer present.
> 
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