On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Carrol Cox <[email protected]> wrote:

> I am baffled by this exchange. For nearly 70 years every single 'exercise'
> (economic, military, political) of u.s. power beyond its own borders,
> _regardless_ particular conditions, has been a terrible disaster for the
> people affected by the intervention.
>
> No u.s. leftists has a right to have any opinion whatever on the Middle
> East (or the Ukraine or Syria or Libya) except the conviction that u.s.
> interfeen ce there must be opposed.
>



I mostly agree with Carrol's sentiments here. First, US military
interventions have a rather sordid track record historically and should be
opposed on that basis alone - irrespective of any theoretical arguments
about how they may potentially do some good in a given situation. Second,
US leftists advocating for this or that political group in a remote part of
the world where they do not have any personal connection is silly wankery
at best.

Carrol's last comment though is puzzling: it is one thing to oppose US
*military* interventions. But what does it mean to  oppose "US
interference" generally speaking?

The US government is a extremely powerful entity and its influence is
inevitably felt everywhere in the world. That's just a fact whether you
like it or not and I don't see how it is possible (or desirable) to
magically "remove" this influence from some part of the world. The best you
can do is to form informed opinions about the nature of that influence and
incorporate that into your politics.
-raghu.
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