raghu: You may feel obliged to indulge Proyect out of personal friendship and I 
do not fault you for that, but his behavior wrt Mr. Creegan on this list 
(whatever their beef may be) seems indefensible to me.

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Nonsense! Lists won't survive a member's refusal to ignore someone he/she 
perceives as a troll or bully. Leave the "defense" Creegan to Creegan himself 
and/or Michael.

Moreover, the root cause of trouble here is the insistence of Raghu & Lou both 
to ground their politics in ethics. That unavoidably leads to unresolvable  
conflicsts and thus to mere personal attacks.

Carrol




 

        _______________________________________
        From: [email protected] 
[[email protected]] on behalf of raghu [[email protected]]
        Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:36 AM
        To: Progressive Economics
        Subject: Re: [Pen-l] 'In Defense of Counterpunch'
        
        On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Marv Gandall 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
        I know James Creegan from Louis’ Marxmail list. I’ve both agreed and 
differed with Jim, and in either case have always found him to be thoughtful 
and respectful in debate. I’m glad to see he’s on Pen-L and look forward to his 
contributions.
        
        
        To be clear, I have never seen anything from a James Creegan on PEN-L. 
If he on this list, I certainly don't get his emails. Obviously I have nothing 
against Mr. Creegan.
        
        However, I have no particular desire to read more catty rants from 
Louis Proyect on the subject of Creegan or anything else.
        
        If I wanted to listen to a pompous clown go on about himself, I'd 
choose Donald Trump over Louis Proyect.
        -raghu.
        
        
        
        
        
        
        On Jul 28, 2015, at 8:48 AM, raghu 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
        
        > Who is James Creegan? Actually nevermind, I really don't care, but I 
do want to know why we on PEN-L are being subjected to this garbage??
        > -raghu.
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Louis Proyect 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
        > On 7/27/15 4:58 PM, James Creegan wrote:
        > >   One would also get the impression that my post about Gerry Foley 
was
        > > sent a few weeks ago, instead of in 2012.
        >
        > No, in fact it was your first and I did go through all your 
provocative
        > emails to let people know why you were getting the boot. You are free 
to
        > set up your own email list but I will not tolerate anybody referring 
to
        > me as a "reformist" and as opposed to building a revolutionary party 
on
        > a mailing list that I have been moderating for 17 years. You are free 
to
        > take your insane sectarian bullshit anywhere you like but not on
        > Marxmail that only came into existence because people like you had 
turn
        > the previous list into a toxic waste. Btw, you should be aware that I 
am
        > now putting you into a killfile so don't expect a reply from me on 
PEN-L
        > since I will be spared your garbage from now on.
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