On 8/11/15 1:39 PM, Charlie wrote: > Leave it to Louis the T. to fulminate about Stalin and to call Getty, > Furr, and anyone else who disagrees "freaks." Louis' view of what > happened is virtually identical to those of Robert Conquest, agent of > British black propaganda and lord in residence at the Hoover > Institution. To be sure, their prescriptions - imperialist "democracy" > or Trotskyist recipe - differ.
Charlie, don't you realize how ridiculous you seem by accusing Trotsky of being a Nazi spy? Here is a useful rebuttal to the Furry view of Soviet history although I doubt that it would make any difference to someone who forwards articles from the Stalin Society of America to PEN-L. http://k2.kasamaproject.org/threads/entry/on-grover-furr-and-the-moscow-trials Firstly, if the verdicts at the Moscow Trials were correct, then a vast conspiracy of a number of Soviet government officials, party members (current and former), and military leaders was in league with Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, Polish intelligence, and British intelligence. However, no evidence has come to light from the archives of any of these countries to substantiate these extraordinary claims. For instance, historians and scholars have been working in the archives of Nazi Germany for decades and found nothing to prove the existence of a vast conspiracy. You claim that the Trotsky archives contain evidence of a bloc in 1932 with Riutin and Zinoviev (along with other elements of the former right opposition). And that this is confirmed by the archival evidence of J Arch Getty and Pierre Broue. However, neither makes the claim that the bloc contemplated terrorist or wrecking activities. Nor does any of the available evidence support that. In fact, the evidence supports the conclusion that this bloc broke up in May 1933 after “Zinoviev and Kamenev had capitulated to Stalin, recanted their sins and repledged their loyalty to the Stalinist faction. Their departure from opposition embittered Trotsky. In a 23 May article he described the two as pitiful, tragic, and subservient. On 6 July he railed against them once again and denounced their capitulation in strong terms. The leaders (if not the lower workers) of the bloc were gone. Both of Trotsky's non-public strategies were now in ruins.”3 _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
