Venezuela certainly is capitalist but the Chavistas are using their 
party to challenge capitalist inequality. If the DP was capable of 
serving as such an instrument, I might be a Democrat myself. But the DP 
has been a ruling class party since the time of Andrew Jackson and the 
New Deal legacy came to an end nearly a half-century ago. It is time to 
move on.

On 10/20/15 11:43 AM, Robert Naiman wrote:
>
> It's certainly understandable that some people would claim that Bernie
> is more of a "social democrat" than a "socialist."
>
> But, once you go down that road, you have to concede that the same is
> true of "socialists" all over the world who accept a "mixed economy" and
> "bourgeois democracy." By the same argument, Chavez was a "social
> democrat" rather than a "socialist." Anybody who has visited Venezuela
> in the last 15 years can tell you that capitalism is doing just fine in
> Venezuela, thank you very much. Venezuela no more became "socialist" as
> a result of Chavez becoming President than the US became "socialist" as
> a result of FDR becoming President.
>
> What is the point of fighting about this, exactly?
>
>
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