> On Mar 19, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Carrol Cox <[email protected]> wrote: > > If I believed what Hans argues here (that more or less everyone must be "on > board") I would simply give up politics of any sort. The world is not a > Congressional Committee taking evidence from experts. And it's not that all > those people -- "conservatives (and everyone else) -- would refuse; it's > that for the most part they wouldn't even know those doing the talking > existed! You cannot convince an audience that is neither in the auditorium > nor even knows the auditorium or the speakers exist. > > Carrol
This says it even better. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 12:13 PM > To: Progressive Economics > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: [Pen-l] The Leap Manifesto > > > Marv Gandall asked: > >> How would you amend the Leap Manifesto, if at all, to bring it into >> line with your views on economic growth and climate change? > > Here is the link to the Leap Manifesto: > > https://leapmanifesto.org/en/the-leap-manifesto/#manifesto-content > > Here is my answer to Marv's question: Economic growth is bad for the > planet, but a manifesto rallying a mass movement around climate change > should not be brought in line with my views on economic growth. This would > be putting the cart before the horse. > > The discussion between George Monbiot and George Marshall in the Guardian > Live forum at > > http://youtub.one/watch/0cCCanfgZ4A > > is relevant for the Leap Manifesto and other policies based on Naomi Klein's > "This Changes Everything." The Leap manifesto raises climate change as an > issue and at the same time promotes left-wing policies to solve it. > According to George Marshall, this is the wrong approach. > Climate change should not be used to promote left-wing policies. > Marshall rejects the vanguard approach which says that the most committed 20 > percent of the populace will be able to determine policies and the others > will come along. Marshall argues the changes in policy and culture are so > big and must happen at such a fast pace that "coming along" is not enough; > conservatives (and everyone else) must be brought on board as active > promoters, not passive or reluctant followers. > (These are my words trying to succinctly summarize Marshall's views, > Marshall uses other words.) Conservatives can be brought on board because > the lifestyles necessary for a sustainable economy are compatible with > conservative values. We need to break Climate Silence and start a broad > discussion based on the recognition of climate change as an existential > threat, in which all policy approaches must be on the table, not only > left-wing policies. > > Hans G Ehrbar > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
