On 6/7/06, Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would say that the theoretical value of the category of unproductive
> labor is to reintroduce the concept of fetishism of commodities at a
> later stage of the analysis of the logic of capital thus reaffirming
> that capital(ism) can never stand on the ground of its own logic but
> ultimately is founded on, masks and reproduces structures of political
> domination.

Please explain what you mean here.

What I mean is the commodity sometimes known as labor power is
inseparable from the worker who is in no respect reducible to that
commodity. As long as you are talking abstract generalities, you can
have distinct categories of productive and unproductive labor. But
when you try to examine _what workers do_ you are no longer operating
at the level of abstraction at which the worker can be analytically
reduced to the commodity, labor power. The analysis of the laws of
motion of capital BEGINS with the commodity. That is to say it is
founded on a suspension of disbelief in the magical properties of that
thing taken as the unit of analysis. But the suspension of disbelief
can only go so far and it flounders on the reef of
productive/unproductive labor.

> This value of the concept of unproductive labor, in my opinion, is
> more clearly developed in Dilke's pamphlet, "The Source and Remedy of
> the National Difficulties..." One might say, at the risk of offending
> Marxists, that it is actually the exhaustive analysis of the "laws of
> motion" of capital that is the cul-de-sac (albeit an analytically
> "productive" one).

I dunno. It's hard to offend Marxists when the alternative point of
view isn't even explained.

Please explain what you mean by "explain". Does it mean "repeat what
you've just said with more details," or does it mean "the explanation
you have presented doesn't count as an explanation"? Assuming you are
asking for more details but also assuming that you don't want to
actually read the pamphlet, I'll just give a few of my impressions and
interpretations. The first six pages of the pamphlet presents a
scenario that, according to Engels at least, inspired Marx's temporal
grounding of labor power in his analysis of the production of surplus
value. I could say ( with some degree of hyperbole) that Marx's
Capital, then, is a digression that proceeds from those first six
pages. The pamphlet itself, however, proceeds to develop a political
analysis to which those first six pages were somewhat of a feint. That
analysis centres on the distinctions between productive and
unproductive labor and between real and fictitious capital.

You ask what use is the productive/unproductive distinction. One could
easily ask what use is the analysis of capital? Well, presumably it
has to do with developing a taxonomy of classes and ultimately with
the identification of an historical subject (or subjects). Same thing
with the productive/unproductive distinction, although the composition
of the resulting classes is obviously going to be different. Instead
of revolving around a stable legal relationship of ownership or
non-ownership toward the means of production, they revolve around
ephemeral functional relationships that arise and perish within the
process of production of surplus value. Note that one set is external
and the other is internal. You can't simply map one set of
relationships onto the other, although you might find a few exemplary
"types" and settle for stereotyping.

Admittedly, the productive/unproductive distinction may leave a lot to
be desired as a tool for prognosticating the future course of history
but if someone can explain to me how the ownership/non-ownership of
the means of production does a better job I will be much obliged.

--
Sandwichman

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