Carrol wrote:

Of Course. That is how a revolutionary movement is built. A reform
struggle only turns overtly revolutionary under very special (and
unpredictable) conditions, but there is no other source of revolutionary
struggle. And revolutionaries almost always make the best reformists.
And in the U.S. today significant reform depends on the  destruction or
neutralization of the DP.
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The conditions, however, which would make a reform struggle potentially
revolutionary - depending on the depth of the crisis and the ability of the
system to recover - are pretty much the same as those which would be
necessary to replace the DP and social democratic parties whose tepid
reformism is primarily a reflection of capitalist stability and the
relatively low level of popular political consciousness.

So long as conditions remain as they are, you are dreaming if you believe
that small parties like the Greens or the even smaller socialist ones to its
left could displace the Democrats and implement the more "significant"
reform you mention. The electoral system and the means of popular
communication (propaganda apparatus) which surround it function to neuter
all reform parties - no matter what their original program and intentions.
They are only "allowed" entry into the mainstream of political life so long
asthey are deemed not to represent any "significant" threat to property and
power relations. This is quite evident from the historic electoral
trajectory of the social-democratic and Communist parties and - in more
recent times - of the only Green party of note in Germany.

In other words, the "significant reform" and revolutionary processes you
describe would, in effect, be telescoped in crisis conditions. Our friends
and neighbours and workmates would start by demanding the first and, if this
did not come about, might well be begin to demand the second. In these dire
circumstances, a Green party could well rise to challenge the DP, and
socialist parties would also likely grow to challenge the Greens from their
left. In fact, if there were a crisis, it's entirely possible that the
radicalizing Democratic rank-and-file and the previously apolitical would
by-pass the Greens for socialist parties to its left which would, it seems
to  me, have a more coherent program and better organization to offer them
in those circumstances.

But under today's conditions, to repeat, even those Americans who desire
"significant reform" don't seem impelled to abandon the Democrats for the
Greens. Even frustrated DP'ers are more inclined to try to reform their own
party, primarily because they see it as already being an established party
with many safe legislative seats they could take over. That's the reason US
third parties have floundered to date. And if, for argument's sake, the
Greens did somehow manage to acquire a large following in present
conditions, it wouldn't be long before it would be responding to the
imperatives of the electoral system and moving closer to the positions of
the DP it would be vying to replace. In fact, the Greens even at this stage
are split between a smaller left wing led accusing a larger right wing of
"accomodating" to the Democrats.

All pure speculation, of course, but that is what these lists are about.

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