On 11/13/06, Doug Henwood wrote:
And a problem with Yoshie's [and my] Marx + Mills is that Mills explicitly
rejected the idea of a ruling class, especially one that reduced to
the capitalist class. Marxists have criticized Mills for this.

In THE POWER ELITE, I don't think Mills rejected the idea of a
_societal_ ruling class of the sort that Marx posited. He may have
done so in some other context, but in that book, he specifically
rejected the idea of the equation between the governing (political,
power) elite with the (socioeconomic) ruling class. Maybe he wasn't
saying exactly that, but he was absolutely right if he rejected that
equation. His subject matter in THE POWER ELITE was the political
(power, governing) elite, _not_ the structure of our society as a
whole. I get the impression that his vision of society as a whole was
an informal and nondogmatic Marxist one.

That is, there's a difference between who rules society as a whole and
who runs a part of society, i.e., the state. And, as is well-known
among Marxists, the government enjoys some "relative autonomy"
vis-a-vis the capitalists (even though the existence of the coercive
power of the state is absolutely necessary to the perpetuation of the
capitalist class system). The fact that it's well known is suggested
by the fact that "relative autonomy" is a cliche among Marxists.

Relative autonomy means that the state's managers are often hired guns
or come from politically-ambitious coalitions formed to represent
sections of the capitalist class. The cappos often find running the
state themselves to be less than lucrative (by their standards,
natch). Hal Draper, by the way, has a very good discussion of the
government's autonomy in his KARL MARX'S THEORY OF REVOLUTION (which
mostly consists of quotes from Marx and Engels).

Of course, sometimes this relative autonomy can be abused (again, by
capitalist standards). I don't think that anyone in the organized
capitalist establishment (the Council on Foreign Relations, etc.) ever
thought that the Bushmasters would be so destructive to their class
interests. (I've said it before, but I think the war against Iraq was
totally irrational from a capitalist perspective. I'd be that James
Baker agrees.)  Military juntas -- which can save the capitalists'
bacon -- can also accumulate wealth and power for themselves, allowing
themselves to enter the capitalist class (e.g., in Guatemala).

As I said before, it's not always clear what's good for the capitalist
class as a whole in the long run. Contrary to what I said, it may not
even be clear after the fact.

BTW, on what basis did Marxists criticize Mills? Is there any reason
to think that these critiques were valid? To my mind, the more valid
parts of the dispute was merely about the meaning of words.

Bertell Ollman told me a few weeks ago that few Marxists have written
about the ruling class because they think the matter is self-evident.
But it's not.

He's wrong. The folks around Kapitalistate debated this kind of stuff
for years during the 1970s. The debate showed up in MR, too.

Of course, people like G. William Domhoff and Paul Sweezy have written
about the power and capitalist  elites.
--
Jim Devine / "In economics, the majority is always wrong."   --  John
Kenneth Galbraith

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