At 19:15 29/11/2006, Jim Devine wrote:

I'd avoid the word "essence." Instead, I'd say that surplus-value is a
_shared characteristic_ of industrial profits, commercial profits,
interest, and rent. It's invisible but it's there. Without the
exertion of surplus-labor (the production of surplus-value), those
types of income could not be received except as pure redistributions.

The word "essence," unfortunately, has idealist connotations. On the
other hand, "shared characteristics" focuses on the real-world,
empirical, phenomena without seeing them as mere reflections on
Plato's cave wall. There is something in the real world that is shared
by these real-world phenomena.

But Marx, when talking about the relation between surplus value and profit/interest/rent (or value and price)--- which is the relation relevant to 'transformation' issues--- is not talking about 'shared characteristics' (which implies coexisting on the same level); rather, he is explicitly talking about 'invisible essence' and surface forms--- which cannot exist on the same level:

"Surplus-value and the rate of surplus-value areĀ… the invisible essence to be investigated, whereas the rate of profit and hence the form of surplus-value as profit are visible surface phenomena" (Marx, 1981b: 134).

If you were to say simply that profits and interest have a shared characteristic, well of course I'd agree. They are forms of surplus value (their, um, 'invisible essence') but that surplus value does not appear as such--ie., exists only as outer forms.
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PS. thanks, Angelus.


I'm tired, so I won't try to emulate Engels by bringing in an analogy
from chemistry.
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