Many adherents of "peak oil" have never read Hubbert (and I can hear the
response already---'many Marxists have never read Marx'-- but for the
record I've read both), or Campbell or Duncan or Deffeyes of Laherre--
and that's too bad.

The supposed inability to replace reserves is an economic category not a
geological one.  North Sea fields exceeded initial and later estimates
by 100% in production (and actually displayed 2 distinct peaks, rise,
plateau, fall, plateau, rise,  plateau, fall) output and platforms have
been abandoned with estimates of 50% of known reserves untapped-- and
why were the platforms abandoned?-- Capital costs of refurbishing the
platforms, production life of the equipment were the determinants, not
the depletion of supplies.  You can, and should, look it up.

But the issue isn't whether supplies are finite, and they are, or
whether we have hit the peak today (we haven't), tomorrow (don't know)
or 40 years from now.  The issue is whether peak oil theories explain
anything that is going on in the world economy called capitalism today,
tomorrow, yesterday or 40 years from now.  I don't think they (peak oil
theories) can, do, or will.  I think Marxist analysis has, does, and
will continue to do so. Just plot out the rates of return in the oil
majors with the major "crises" of the past 30 years.

Now speaking of reserves downgraded on paper-- Leigh should be aware
that reserves are an economic category, defined as the amount of oil
that can be produced from conventional sources (no tar sands, no
super-heavy, no methyl hydrates) in a fixed period of time (usually 20
years or less) utlizing today's technology, and at A PROFIT.  Yeah, you
can look that up to.

Shell's notorious write down of reserves had nothing to do with actually
resizing known reserves, but was the product of  letting leases expire
on areas with reserves without taking the required steps to initiate
production.  Shame, shame, shame-- said the accountants.

I have to say, I guess Leigh's snide putdown of the the Grundrisse (how
many people has the Grundrisse ever fed,  as I recall it, as if Marx was
a sow with teats, or should have been) still frosts me.  It, the remark,
is so self-satisfied in its ignorance, so classically and vulgarly
American-- an estimate confirmed by Leigh's own claim of doing a class
analysis-- using Hare Krishnas--

Ad homs?  Did not use any-- simply pointed out that Stan Goff's fresh
new breeze was filled with the stale, and foul smelling wind of
supporting the Democrats.  That's no ad hom.  That's the fact.

Dennis Kucinich?  I'm sure he's a really good guy, actually got run out
of the mayor's office in Cleveland by the big utilities-- passionately
against the war.  Good for him.  And he's still a Democrat.  Still
committed to preserving the ruling class's party as the ruling class's
party.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Leigh Meyers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <PEN-L@SUS.CSUCHICO.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Rampage Across Athens


> On 6/23/07, Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > The list can tolerate differences of opinion, but not nastiness.
> >
>
> In response to ...I guess a sarcastic paraphrase,  of what sartesian
> (Real name unknown) thinks I mean:
>
> > It's not the theory I object to, criticizing the rigidity of
current
> > Marxist organizations, it's the practice-- the practice that takes
you
> > to endorsing Democrats, scorning actual class analysis, thumping the
> > King Hubbert bible of Peak Oil, etc.
>
> First of all, the American Marxism I see isn't rigid. It's quite fluid
> in it's dogmatism.
>
> "...endorsing Democrats": Individuals perhaps... One comes to mind,
> Dennis Kucinich.
> He's just another 'democrat' I guess. I perhaps am guilty of
> homogenizing Marxists in a similar manner, so, point taken.
>
> "...scorning actual class analysis..": I just finished doing an
> 'actual class analysis, American Marxists as a 'class', sociologically
> compared to Hare Krishnas and Gurdjieffians (giggle). He doesn't like
> my analysis, or the grouping I used to illustrate, and ad homs
> sarcastically instead of delivering ANY INFORMATION to disprove my
> point.
>
> FWIW, I've never read any of Hubbert's works. The inability to restore
> dwindling reserves despite billions and billions of dollars spent on
> exploration and the nasty wars, buying off oppressive regimes, black
> ops, needed to secure the territory for exploration and actually
> explore it, just to claim big finds (unproven, on paper) that are
> downgraded later when no one's noticing, is just one chapter in a
> rather large volume of works called 'Peak oil was sooo yesterday...
> denial & rationalization is now.'
>
> ... _._
>
> Leigh
>

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