> > Laurent writes:
> > > The fed does not create new money: only private banks do create money
> > > each time they make a loan and they have this right in exchange for
> > > following bank regulations.

me:
> > Laurent, that's only according to a narrow interpretation of "money
> > creation." The Fed does not create money (i.e., currency) as in
> > "printing it" and droppng it from its Milton Friedman Memorial fleet
> > of helicopters. (Ben Bernanke once suggested that it could, BTW.)
> > However, it does create -- or rather, increase or decrease -- the
> > monetary base (the stock of high-powered money). That magnitude refers
> > to the monetary liabilities of the Fed, i.e., bank reserves and
> > currency. The Fed can and does increase those, which almost always has
> > the impact of increasing the money supply.
> >
> > And when banks want to convert the bookkeeping entries called bank
> > reserves into currency, the Fed _will_ print it. This converts one
> > kind of Fed IOU into another.

Laurent:
> To put things into perspective: the Z1 of Q2 2007 says that Fed assets
> and liabilities are around 0.9 trillions (page 68) and that
> total outstanding debt is 45 trillions including 7.2 trillions
> of federal and local government debt the rest being private (page 8).
>
> Of course you can label the 2% base "high powered" money but for all
> practical purposes the remaining 98% are money too and they've been
> printed by private banks not the Fed :).

Wait! you switched from talking about money (as conventionally
defined: M1, M2 or whatever) to talking about total debt. Now you can
argue about definitions, but I meant the standard definition of the
money supply, as most economists do when they don't add
qualifications.

Note that I don't think that the Fed has much if any control over the
money supply, however defined. Rather, it has a lot of impact on
short-term interest rates. And I agree that the total debt is more
important to determining the dynamics of the economy than M1, M2 or
whatever is.

> PS: the astute reader will have noticed that USA fed/gov debt makes
> 99.99999% of the headlines and papers but count for less than 20% of
> total USA debt, the other 80% is unknown to MSN and most economists.
> One sector debt has (nominally) doubled in the last 8 years and just
> reached 100% of GDP without "anyone" noticing.

"One sector debt" = ??

in any event, private debt is much much more serious than the
government's debt, since the US government is not going to go bankrupt
in the foreseeable future. I totally agree that the government's debt
gets much too much airplay and print.



--
Jim Devine / "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your own
way and let people talk.) --  Karl, paraphrasing Dante.

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