On Nov 30, 2007 6:04 PM, David B. Shemano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Raghu writes:
> >> In capitalist society subsidized moral hazard is pervasive. A lot of
> >> capitalist activity would simply not be profitable (and therefore
> >> would not exist) if it wasn't for government subsidies. Wall St's
> >> business model depends on unpaid liquidity insurance from the Fed.
> >> Corn farmers can overproduce all they want because the government
> >> insures them (for free) against a price collapse with its ethanol
> >> policy. And so on and on.
>
> Agreed.  But every example of Subsidized Moral Hazard you identify (or could 
> identify) is a product of the political process, not the market process.

True. But the political and market processes are inseparable parts of
the capitalist system as a whole. Failure to recognize this is the
central weakness of the libertarian ideology.


> I just don't understand.  By definition, a socialist society is marked by a 
> substitution of private property for social property -- the allocation of 
> resources is significantly more politicized than in a capitalist society.  So 
> if Subsidized Moral Hazard is a product of the political process, why 
> wouldn't the problem be worse in a socialist society?

Citi's SIVs do not have (and never had) any economic purpose other
than to profit off regulatory arbitrage as Jamie Dimon candidly
admitted recently. Capitalist institutions reward and encourage the
creation of SIVs. The creators are celebrated as innovators. This is a
peculiarly capitalist notion where all profits are considered good and
there are elaborate institutions in place to facilitate and support
such activities.

Such institutions would not provided under a socialist society and a
monstrosity like the SIV would not exist without such support.
Similarly under socialist institutions the price of corn would be
based on the needs of society and not on speculation on the direction
of ethanol policy in the futures market. The debate on ethanol policy
would be framed in terms of needs of society rather than on profit
opportunities for farmers.


> In fact, are you telling me as a historical matter that the Soviet Union and 
> other socialist economies did not and do not suffer from any Subsidized Moral 
> Hazard problems?

Nepotism and false incentives exist in any type of society. But
converting political power into financial profits is a peculiar
feature of capitalist society. You'll have to give a more concrete
example to explore this further in the context of the USSR or any
other economy.
-raghu.

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