On Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:52:02 -0700, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 13 July 2006 23:37, H.Merijn Brand wrote: > > > If I got it right, the wish that was expressed is more like the wish for > > an installer with a GUI. > > Nope, just for a nice, easily-installable bundle of modules that work around > the unpleasant backwards compatibilities and warts of Perl 5. I was talking about the wish of the person I talked to. Not your wish :) But your exposition makes some things quite clear. > For example, I use SUPER a lot because it's completely silly that the method > redispatcher works based on the stash of the subroutine, set to its compile > time package, not on the current class and method name. > > I'm warming up to Class::MOP because I'm tired of fiddling with package > variables and symbolic references to deal with @ISA. > > It would include a profiler that actually works, unlike Devel::DProf which, > as > far as I can tell, is a Perl module to segfault. > > It would include File::Find::Rule because it has an interface less prone to > face-stabbing than File::Find, which is only in the core because it's been in > the core forever, not because its interface is nice (it isn't) or the code is > nice (it really isn't). > > It would include Class::Std or Object::InsideOut or one of those because it's > about time Perl encouraged people to write classes that make sense. > > It would include documentation about which modules I chose and why and when > to > use them. > > That's what I want -- the useful modules that aren't in the core that do > things that should have been in the language for the start but weren't. In > other words, it's the modules I use all the time to be productive. For *you* to be productive. For *me*, I would see all that as bloat. I *hate* OO programming. Not only in Perl. It is that DBI and Tk have no alternatives, so I have to do some OO, but it still does not feel like the FUN I get out of the other corners of the many perl features > Novices shouldn't have to spent eight years learning the language and the > good > modules the way I did to be productive. What makes someone productive? They want to get the job done. If they only convert CVS to MS-Excel or vise-versa, they will never ever need all the things you mention. If they want to set up a simple web page with MySQL and DBI, they don't need it either. I cheer your plan. Really I do, but then there should be targetted bundles. Not 'Plus' or 'Extra'. What is Plus for one is Minus or Bloat for others. Look at the list of modules I include in my perl distributions for HP-UX at http://mirrors.develooper.com/hpux/#Perl and you might get an idea of what I think are useful modules that my work more effective. Not quite like yours is it? -- H.Merijn Brand Amsterdam Perl Mongers (http://amsterdam.pm.org/) using & porting perl 5.6.2, 5.8.x, 5.9.x on HP-UX 10.20, 11.00, 11.11, & 11.23, SuSE 10.0, AIX 4.3 & 5.2, and Cygwin. http://qa.perl.org http://mirrors.develooper.com/hpux/ http://www.test-smoke.org http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/
