Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You mean Windows Me wasn't just a throw away prototype then? :-)

Marty

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Sean Ahern
> Sent: Tuesday 07 May 2002 12:30
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Secure platforms DO matter!
>
>
> At 06:59 07/05/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >Have you all heard anything about win64?
>
> Yes.
> >   Do have any faith that MS is
> >changing to become a more security aware company?
>
> No.  I am however sure that MS has become a company which -claims- it is
> more security aware.  But MS has always been guilty of bolting-on
> functionality to its OS's, rather than building it into their
> cores.  Thats
> not something you can do with security.  It would rather add features
> (.NET) than solve core issues.
>
> >   MS is staking its life on
> >.NET and Win64.
>
>          For Microsoft, revenue is driven by forcing the user to
> upgrade.  Thus their business model depends on the Next New Thing
>  .NET and
> Win64 are the Next New Things.
>
> >  They are working hard to change.
>
>          I disagree.  They are working hardest to attempt to force the
> consumer into believing they have no other choice; because their
> intellectual property will be taken away from them if they use something
> else, because it is illegal to use something else, because  it is
> dangerous
> to use something else.  Even because it is "unAmerican" to use
> something else.
>
> >   *nix has been around for
> >a long time, it is rediculous to think that it would not be secure.
>
>          Longevity does not imply security.  Good design does.
>
> >  MS
> >would never release any software if it had to be bug free before release.
>
>          What about  "acceptably bug free" because they decided against
> adding yet more 'features' which were actually security holes.
>
>
> >No other software get used by more people, so it is no wonder
> that more bugs
> >are found in it than anyother software.
>
>          Several things determine the number of bugs found.  The
> overriding
> one is the number of bugs present.
>
> >  Point being that there are bugs and
> >security flaws in *nix also that have not been found for lack of use.
>
>          So you say its been around longer, so it is secure, but less
> people use it so the bugs cant have been found.  Huh?
>
> >  MS
> >plans to use Win64 and .NET to compete with the *nix Java
> solutions.  Do you
> >think that they are going to ignore security as a selling point, for
> >themselves or for *nix against them?
>
>          As a selling point?  No they won't ignore it.  But what
> will they
> be selling?  Ask yourself if the marketing is actually going to say much
> more than "Buy .NET because its more secure than what we sold you last
> year" and whether they'll actually even deliver that.
>
> >MS knows that it HAS TO solve its
> >security problems to compete in the enterprise solutions arena.
>
>          Windows NT is over 8 years old.  Why have they only -just-
> discovered the necessity of solving security problems?   Is 'lets
> fix a bug
> month' a -real- attempt to solve security issues, or just a dumb PR stunt.
>
> >  The have
> >the money, the man power, the motivation, and the skill to get
> it done.  The
> >only question is will you all buy it.
>
>          They've alwyas had the money, the manpower and the skill.  I
> -dont- buy the fact that they've somehow suddenly got
> motivated.  'Security' at MS is merely the buzzword of the day.
>
> SxA
>
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