Wings and dust and dead insects can actually be deposited through the ventilation system. Check for an overhead vent nearby. Linda Roundhill
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019, 8:27 AM Louis Sorkin <sor...@amnh.org> wrote: > Just to further explain: > > Gretchen Anderson: As for the dermestids (carpet beetles), the larva will > be eating proteins – wool, hair, hide, horn, feather. That kind of thing. > You may have an old, long standing infestation. It is generally the larva > that are causing the damage. > > - Many people seem to overlook that dried up rodent (and other mammals > plus bird) corpses are excellent dermestid larval food sources. It’s not > restricted to fur and feathers. Rodent infestations produce naturally > occurring dead rodents, but rodent bait kills and misplaced snap trap and > multi-capture kills are other examples. It’s not just *Dermestes* > species, well known for museum cleaning of skeletons, but other dermesid > species from other genera as well consume dried muscle and organs. BTW, > some typical tenebrionid grain pests will consume animal matter, too. > > > > Louis N. Sorkin, B.C.E. > > Entomologist, Arachnologist, Myriapodologist > > Insect Cuisine & Entomophagy Research > > *[image: cid:image001.png@01D235DF.2C8D90E0]* > > Division of Invertebrate Zoology|American Museum of Natural History > > Central Park West at 79th Street|New York, New York 10024-5192 > > sor...@amnh.org > > 212-769-5613 voice | 212-769-5277 fax | 917-953-0094 local pager > > http://www.amnh.org/our-research/staff-directory/louis-n.-sorkin > > [image: cid:image002.jpg@01D3782F.ECFAC5D0] > > The New York Entomological Society, Inc. > > www.nyentsoc.org > > n...@amnh.org > > [image: cid:image001.png@01D110A0.A110F570] > > > > > > > > *From:* pestlist@googlegroups.com <pestlist@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf > Of *Anderson, Gretchen > *Sent:* Thursday, February 21, 2019 6:39 PM > *To:* pestlist@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* RE: [pestlist] Carpet beetle large area and termites > > > > Hi Adrienne, > > > Joel’s suggestions are excellent. > > > > I agree, fumigation seems extreme. Termites are very difficult to control, > and I am not an expert on them. However, as I understand it, they live in > large (sometimes very large) colonies and your buildings may be in the > center of it. So strategies on how to keep the termites away from the > property are recommended. You might explore (or suggest to the person who > manages the gallery) the life cycle of termites and recommendations on the > Museum Pest Network > https://museumpests.net/identification/identification-pest-fact-sheets/ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmuseumpests.net%2Fidentification%2Fidentification-pest-fact-sheets%2F&data=01%7C01%7Csorkin%40amnh.org%7C95d884974f6d458c90e808d69855bbaf%7Cbe0003e8c6b9496883aeb34586974b76%7C0&sdata=qXWUEJTO3X4J4MFCWD%2FaG%2BgIJjH0Vp42a5ACOOUtrVg%3D&reserved=0>. > This will give you recommendations on how to proceed. The more you know > about the specific pest the better you can determine how to control it. > Termites swarm at a specific time of the year – otherwise you tend not to > see them at all. That is when you will find the wings. > > > > As for the dermestids (carpet beetles), the larva will be eating proteins > – wool, hair, hide, horn, feather. That kind of thing. You may have an > old, long standing infestation. It is generally the larva that are causing > the damage. Objects should be frozen (follow the recommendations on Museum > Pest Network) and all frass removed. Housekeeping of the surrounding areas > must be thoroughly kept up with. Use blunder/sticky traps to monitor for > ongoing activity. This is the best way to keep up on it. Unfortunately > there is no magic bullet. > > > > Gretchen Anderson > > > > [image: id:image001.png@01D2D3A7.88A416E0] > > Gretchen Anderson > > Conservator > > Carnegie Museum of Natural History > > 5800 Baum Blvd. > > Pittsburgh PA 15206 > > Phone: 412-665-2607 > > Cell: 412-420-9083 > > > > > > > > > > *From:* pestlist@googlegroups.com <pestlist@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf > Of *Voron, Joel > *Sent:* Thursday, February 21, 2019 6:19 PM > *To:* pestlist@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [pestlist] Carpet beetle large area and termites > > > > Fumigation for termites seems pretty extreme to me. I would recommend a > termidor liquid barrier at least in the area were you may see > reoccurrence...that is if they are subterranean termites. A liquid > foundation barrier would provide residual for many years to come....at > least in that area. It would be best to rod trench and treat around the > entire foundation if they are subterranean termites. If you can schedule > cleaning/vacuuming of the high risk objects around the time the carpet > beetle larvae are visible with loops that will catch them before they do > any real damage. You will probably need to set out pheromone traps to see > if you can pinpoint where the hotspot/epicenter of the carpet beetles are > coming from in order to find the source. Insects limited can help you with > a pheromone game plan. This sounds like you have a challenge on your hands. > . JTV > > > > > > *Joel Voron Colonial Williamsburg Foundation* > > Conservation Dept. > > Integrated Pest Management > > Office 757-220-7080 > > Cell 757-634-1175 > > E-Mail jvo...@cwf.org > > > > > > [image: > x-apple-ql-id://6ACD10AA-D3D1-43D2-A574-B632CDC743FB/x-apple-ql-magic/8AC15B9D-84CD-45A1-92DB-3B6E7CFAE332.jpg] > > > On Feb 21, 2019, at 5:02 PM, Adrienne Dastgir < > adrienne.dast...@chickasaw.net> wrote: > > Joel, > > > > I am sorry for the late responses but I have been out of the office all > week. > > I do not work in the exhibit hall so it is hard for me to tell if the > wings are from termites or from ants. I work in another building where all > the collections are housed. I do not check any of their traps. I know > they only have an exterminator that comes by about once a month, far as > traps they do not have any that I know about. I not sure what he does but > when checks the exhibit hall. In the building that I work in the > exterminator sprays the outside of the building and the area where the > offices area, he is not allowed to spray in the lab, and in the collection > areas. I always inform him about pest I fine that might be a threat. I am > not sure if any of the exhibit hall workers have found anything but wings. > > The area is away from a windows, and low light. The exhibit hall Manger > said that he thought that was where the larger number of termites were at > before they fumigated. That they had to take down part of a large > display that is on one side where they are seeing the wings. The Manger > thanks it could be from an old infestation but I do not see how when they > vacuum and clean few hours later they see dust and wings again. > > I am not sure what type of termites they fumigated for, and I am not sure > what they used. I do know that they had to keep the exhibit hall closed for > 48 hours when they did fumigated, the exterminator told me that there was > all kinds of pest that were killed not just the termites. I am not sure > how fast they cleaned up all the other pest that were killed. > > The concern with opening the one display case up was that the beetles were > alive and may fly out into the other areas, but if you do not open it up > than the beetles may eat all the items that are in the case. The other > display area there is no way to open it up that I could see, guess a drill > and borescope. I am guessing this can get into cost. > > I am also not sure how clean they are getting everything. > > I am currently the only one campus that knows about museum pest. All I > know I learned when I started in 2017. > > > > Thanks, for the help > > Adrienne Dastgir > > > > *From:* pestlist@googlegroups.com [mailto:pestlist@googlegroups.com > <pestlist@googlegroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *Voron, Joel > *Sent:* Monday, February 18, 2019 5:03 PM > *To:* pestlist@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [pestlist] Carpet beetle large area and termites > > > > The wings may be from ants and not termites? > > Are the wings being discovered in a readily observed space or could they > be from an old infestation and just being uncovered now? > > If near a window the wings are probably fresh. > > I can't imagine termites having enough meat on them for carpet beetles to > take hold. I was under the impression that they would desiccate rather > quickly. > > What type of fumigant has been used and for what type of termite? > > If your cases with the carpet beetle problems are built ins and sealed you > need to see if someone can get a kick plate off or find a place where you > can drill and send a borascope in to have a look under them. > > > > There is a possibility that there is enough old dust hair and skin under > there cases or the floor for that matter where the carpet beetles have set > up shop. > > May be two completely separate issues going on as a coincidence.JTV > > > > > > *Joel Voron Colonial Williamsburg Foundation* > > Conservation Dept. > > Integrated Pest Management > > Office 757-220-7080 > > Cell 757-634-1175 > > E-Mail jvo...@cwf.org > > > > > > [image: > x-apple-ql-id://6ACD10AA-D3D1-43D2-A574-B632CDC743FB/x-apple-ql-magic/8AC15B9D-84CD-45A1-92DB-3B6E7CFAE332.jpg] > > > On Feb 18, 2019, at 4:25 PM, Alex Roach < > alexro...@modifiedatmospheres.com.au> wrote: > > Hi Adrienne > > > > You are right that the insect bodies are left in treated items, and they > can be a food source/attractant for dermestids. > > > > The wings may be alate wings. Reproductive termites have two pairs of > wings that they shed following colonising flights. > > > > Do you know what sort of termites were in the building? What treatment was > carried out? > > > > Best wishes > > Alex > > > > Alex Roach > > *Director* > > Modified Atmospheres > > > > > > > > On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 at 09:52, Adrienne Dastgir < > adrienne.dast...@chickasaw.net> wrote: > > Hi All > > > > I have questions about carpet beetle. I know they are very damaging to > collection they can destroy a textile collect in a few days if there is an > infestation. They can go unnoticed for long time because of their sizes. > Here is the issue about six month ago our main exhibit hall had termites. > Which has been an ongoing battle for over year now. I am not 100% sure > because of how many times fumigated has happened before I started here. I > know that they have fumigated at least three times since 2017. The last > time being about six months ago. Which the workers in the exhibit hall > thought that there were no more termites. I thank the Manger said that his > staff began to fine wings about two-three months ago, and what they thought > was termites. The pest guy kept telling him that they were nothing that no > way there could still be termites and that pest that they were fining would > not harm the items on display. > > I was asked by my Manger to go take a look at what they were fining to > see if it was more termites. However, it was not termites it was larvae of > an Dermistidae (Carpet beetle). In addition to this they are still finding > termite wings. Which makes me think that they may still have termites. I > had saw an email from pest list when someone had asked if dead pest > attracts dermestid beetles, the answer was no but they do not help. The > termites were of course in the walls and under display areas that were made > of wood, and other areas. These areas they were unable to remove any dead > termites, so any termites that were dead that were in the walls, under > displays that were unable to move were left. An exhibit hall worker found > three alive dermestid beetle larvae this morning and this afternoon they > found five adult beetles all dead. > > Here are my questions: > > 1. Could the beetles be feeding on the dead termites and causing > the wings to be present? > > 2. Is it possible that the termites are still there and that the > fumigation did not work and the beetles are still feeding on some of the > dead termites? > > 3. If the dermestid beetles are in the wall feeding on something > how are we going to eliminate them? The area where the beetles are being > found at the display does not move it is attached to the wall and it is > wood with textiles display on top. It only has a piece of lather and > feather that can be removed and CO2 or frozen. I real do not see what > they could be fed on. Other than something behind the display and wall. > However, there are other areas in the exhibit hall that are textiles that > are at risk, large animal skins, cases of feather, leather clothes, and > fur. > > 4. Has anyone fumigate and been successful in killing them? If you > do fumigate does it leave dead bodies in walls which could cause an another > infestation. > > I have found dermestid in other areas on our campus. In the Archives > building the area was much smaller and easier to clean. 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