Also GCR seems to use and allocate comparatively more vectors,
translating to lot more memory. This does make FGMRES more attractive.
I will look at the preconditioner and try to find the true cause of
the issue.

Cheers,
Vijay

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Barry Smith <bsmith at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
>
> ?The GCR algorithm computes the residual and hence the residual norm 
> EXPLICITLY as part of the solution process, it does not use the recursive 
> formula that FGMES uses. I "think" the use of the recursive formula is why 
> FGMRES is cheaper than GCR (and hence much more commonly used).
>
> ? Barry
>
>
> On Dec 21, 2010, at 2:46 PM, Vijay S. Mahadevan wrote:
>
>>> Yes but look at the true residual norm it is huge and indicates the 
>>> residual is not really getting small.
>> Ah yes. I was reading the output wrongly. Thanks for pointing that
>> out. So then it is quite possible that my preconditioner is terrible
>> for this problem.
>>
>> Curiously with GCR, the true residual does converge.
>>
>> 62 KSP Residual norm 6.845396874593e-10
>> ? 62 KSP preconditioned resid norm 6.845396874593e-10 true resid norm
>> 6.845396874593e-10 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 1.063128003731e+00
>> ? 63 KSP preconditioned resid norm 4.617426258215e-10 true resid norm
>> 4.617426258215e-10 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 9.425403350509e-01
>> 63 KSP Residual norm 4.617426258215e-10
>> ? 63 KSP preconditioned resid norm 4.617426258215e-10 true resid norm
>> 4.617426258215e-10 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 9.425403350509e-01
>> ? 64 KSP preconditioned resid norm 3.659090331422e-10 true resid norm
>> 3.659090331422e-10 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 1.044433624917e+00
>> 64 KSP Residual norm 3.659090331422e-10
>> ? 64 KSP preconditioned resid norm 3.659090331422e-10 true resid norm
>> 3.659090331422e-10 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 1.044433624917e+00
>> ? 65 KSP preconditioned resid norm 2.457005532004e-10 true resid norm
>> 2.457005532004e-10 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 9.250757590415e-01
>> 65 KSP Residual norm 2.457005532004e-10
>> ? 65 KSP preconditioned resid norm 2.457005532004e-10 true resid norm
>> 2.457005532004e-10 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 9.250757590415e-01
>> ? 66 KSP preconditioned resid norm 1.765446010945e-10 true resid norm
>> 1.765446010945e-10 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 9.880804659179e-01
>> 66 KSP Residual norm 1.765446010945e-10
>> ? 66 KSP preconditioned resid norm 1.765446010945e-10 true resid norm
>> 1.765446010945e-10 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 9.880804659179e-01
>>
>> Jed, with modified gram schmidt procedure, fgmres yields the
>> following, which looks like the same as before:
>>
>> 49 KSP Residual norm 2.426160176080e-08
>> ? 49 KSP preconditioned resid norm 2.426160176080e-08 true resid norm
>> 1.864897210364e+02 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 2.696456942624e+02
>> ? 50 KSP preconditioned resid norm 1.864914790828e+02 true resid norm
>> 1.864914790828e+02 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 2.798875072987e+02
>> 50 KSP Residual norm 1.864914790828e+02
>> ? 50 KSP preconditioned resid norm 1.864914790828e+02 true resid norm
>> 1.864914790828e+02 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 2.798875072987e+02
>> ? 51 KSP preconditioned resid norm 6.741080961009e+01 true resid norm
>> 6.759768469363e+01 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 1.666964983874e+02
>> 51 KSP Residual norm 6.741080961009e+01
>> ? 51 KSP preconditioned resid norm 6.741080961009e+01 true resid norm
>> 6.759768469363e+01 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 1.666964983874e+02
>> ? 52 KSP preconditioned resid norm 5.191621875736e+01 true resid norm
>> 5.146342142561e+01 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 7.225409161988e+01
>>
>> But I generally see that the true residual of GCR seems to converge to
>> desired tolerance but for GMRES, the convergence stagnates with
>> different options on my MG preconditioner. This is puzzling to me
>> since I spent enough time making sure that the preconditioner was
>> working correctly but I will look more into this now. Thanks for all
>> the helpful comments guys ! I will post here if I find any other
>> curious behavior.
>>
>> Vijay
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Barry Smith <bsmith at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Yes but look at the true residual norm it is huge and indicates the 
>>> residual is not really getting small.
>>>
>>> ?Barry
>>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Vijay S. Mahadevan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Barry, I tried with the true_residual_norm option and it gives me the
>>>> exact same convergence as the one I have shown before.
>>>>
>>>> 45 KSP Residual norm 2.511364148934e-07
>>>> ? 45 KSP preconditioned resid norm 2.511364148934e-07 true resid norm
>>>> 1.865039278877e+02 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 2.699481989705e+02
>>>> ? 46 KSP preconditioned resid norm 1.307034672896e-07 true resid norm
>>>> 1.864478183180e+02 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 2.724877015479e+02
>>>> 46 KSP Residual norm 1.307034672896e-07
>>>> ? 46 KSP preconditioned resid norm 1.307034672896e-07 true resid norm
>>>> 1.864478183180e+02 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 2.724877015479e+02
>>>> ? 47 KSP preconditioned resid norm 7.105770015635e-08 true resid norm
>>>> 1.864563163311e+02 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 2.722662760395e+02
>>>> 47 KSP Residual norm 7.105770015635e-08
>>>> ? 47 KSP preconditioned resid norm 7.105770015635e-08 true resid norm
>>>> 1.864563163311e+02 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 2.722662760395e+02
>>>> ? 48 KSP preconditioned resid norm 4.098578230710e-08 true resid norm
>>>> 1.864560351328e+02 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 2.690284539995e+02
>>>> 48 KSP Residual norm 4.098578230710e-08
>>>> ? 48 KSP preconditioned resid norm 4.098578230710e-08 true resid norm
>>>> 1.864560351328e+02 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 2.690284539995e+02
>>>> ? 49 KSP preconditioned resid norm 2.426160176080e-08 true resid norm
>>>> 1.864897210364e+02 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 2.696456942624e+02
>>>> 49 KSP Residual norm 2.426160176080e-08
>>>> ? 49 KSP preconditioned resid norm 2.426160176080e-08 true resid norm
>>>> 1.864897210364e+02 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 2.696456942624e+02
>>>> ? 50 KSP preconditioned resid norm 1.864914790828e+02 true resid norm
>>>> 1.864914790828e+02 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 2.798875072987e+02
>>>> 50 KSP Residual norm 1.864914790828e+02
>>>> ? 50 KSP preconditioned resid norm 1.864914790828e+02 true resid norm
>>>> 1.864914790828e+02 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 2.798875072987e+02
>>>> ? 51 KSP preconditioned resid norm 6.741080961009e+01 true resid norm
>>>> 6.759768469363e+01 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 1.666964983874e+02
>>>> 51 KSP Residual norm 6.741080961009e+01
>>>> ? 51 KSP preconditioned resid norm 6.741080961009e+01 true resid norm
>>>> 6.759768469363e+01 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 1.666964983874e+02
>>>> ? 52 KSP preconditioned resid norm 5.191621875736e+01 true resid norm
>>>> 5.146342142561e+01 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 7.225409161988e+01
>>>> 52 KSP Residual norm 5.191621875736e+01
>>>> ? 52 KSP preconditioned resid norm 5.191621875736e+01 true resid norm
>>>> 5.146342142561e+01 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 7.225409161988e+01
>>>> ? 53 KSP preconditioned resid norm 4.513782866249e+01 true resid norm
>>>> 4.546883708687e+01 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 7.426476446334e+01
>>>> 53 KSP Residual norm 4.513782866249e+01
>>>> ? 53 KSP preconditioned resid norm 4.513782866249e+01 true resid norm
>>>> 4.546883708687e+01 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 7.426476446334e+01
>>>> ? 54 KSP preconditioned resid norm 3.320195603375e+01 true resid norm
>>>> 3.297361634749e+01 ||Ae||/||Ax|| 5.285029509147e+01
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vijay
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Barry Smith <bsmith at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 21, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Jed Brown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 21:04, Barry Smith <bsmith at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
>>>>>> This is a sign that the preconditioner is seriously messed up and should 
>>>>>> not be used in its current form. ?It can happen if the matrix is nearly 
>>>>>> singular and for example you use an incomplete factorization for a 
>>>>>> preconditioner that just screws up the scaling like totally. Run with 
>>>>>> -ksp_monitor_true_residual and you'll see that the solver is not really 
>>>>>> solving the problem even though it thinks it is converging fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FGMRES only does right preconditioning so it should be showing the true 
>>>>>> residual.
>>>>>
>>>>> ?No because it uses a recursive formula for "computing" the residual norm 
>>>>> it does not compute it explicitly. So in extreme circumstances the 
>>>>> recursively compute one generates "garbage".
>>>>>
>>>>> ? Barry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
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