Hi Jeff,

>Only if you are very lucky.  If your tar command tars up the pg_xlog
directory as the last thing it does, then you are probably going to be OK.
Otherwise, it is a crap shoot.

May be that's it. I have another similar set up, but the pg_xlog is a soft
link to another directory, and I use 'tar -chvzf'. It tar up the pg_xlog at
the very last. And the restore is fine.

For this one, DB1 and DB2, the pg_xlog is the directory itself, and I use
'tar -cvzf'. And it tar up pg_xlog at the beginning. I always have doubt
about it. But I though pg_stop_backup() and pg_start_backup() like freezing
would prevent the inconsistency.

Indeed, I will look inot pgbasebackup.

Thanks,



On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Jeff Janes <jeff.ja...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.kla...@aklaver.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 09/17/2015 11:15 PM, Guillaume Lelarge wrote:
>>
>>> Le 18 sept. 2015 5:23 AM, "Adrian Klaver" <adrian.kla...@aklaver.com
>>> <mailto:adrian.kla...@aklaver.com>> a écrit :
>>>  >
>>>  > On 09/17/2015 05:37 PM, Michael Chau wrote:
>>>  >>
>>>  >> To restore on test server:
>>>  >>
>>>  >> 1) Just untar the tar ball, then start up Postgres. Of course the
>>> data
>>>  >> directory is empty beforehand.
>>>  >>
>>>  >> This has been working for almost 2 years without any problem until
>>> last
>>>  >> Monday. I remember that I just ran vacuum analyze that table on both
>>> DB1
>>>  >> and DB2  that morning. But, I don't think that it harms anything.
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > Well it looks fairly straight forward, to me at least.
>>>  >
>>>
>>> Do I miss something obvious? Because this is to me the wrong way to do
>>> the restore. You need to apply WAL files archived between
>>> pg_start_backup and pg_stop_backup to get consistent data files.
>>>
>>
>> Would that not be taken care of by the tar data directory/ untar data
>> directory?
>>
>
> Only if you are very lucky.  If your tar command tars up the pg_xlog
> directory as the last thing it does, then you are probably going to be OK.
> Otherwise, it is a crap shoot.
>
>
>
>> I would think if it was a WAL issue the OP could never get the server to
>> start and get to the point the query failed on a single table and column.
>
>
> With pg_basebackup, that is probably the case, as it either doesn't copy
> xlog at all, or if it does it makes sure it is complete.  But with tar, you
> have no such protection.
>
>
>
>> All that being said, I think the OP would be better served by
>> pg_basebackup:
>>
>> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.4/static/app-pgbasebackup.html
>
>
>
> Yes, indeed.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
>


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