Geoff,

Are you a woman of color of Black descent?  You seem to have the same exact 
opinions that I do.  How can that be?  

Thanks,
Regina

-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Winkless [mailto:pgsqlad...@geoff.dj] 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 2:06 PM
To: Postgres General <pgsql-general@postgresql.org>
Cc: David E. Wheeler <da...@justatheory.com>
Subject: Re: Let's Do the CoC Right

I'm copying this (which I sent to you individually) back into the group because 
you clearly don't score enough troll points to make it worth your while 
answering my questions when I send it to you off-list.

On 22 January 2016 at 17:21, David E. Wheeler <da...@justatheory.com> wrote:
> On Jan 22, 2016, at 9:18 AM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.kla...@aklaver.com> wrote:
>
>>> The fact that it was  open for all  does not mean that it was an inclusive 
>>> discussion.
>>
>> To the extent that everybody that participates in the list and would be 
>> subject to it had an opportunity to comment, yes it was inclusive.
>
> It excludes people who don t participate in the list because of issues they 
> ve had there in the past. Best way for it to be inclusive is to either bring 
> those people back in, or to adopt some sort of standard CoC that people in 
> similar positions have developed through hard thinking and hard experience 
> over time.

As a group the postgres team have decided the level to which they wish to make 
it clear that they welcome everyone.

What they will not agree to do is leave members open to the SJWs that have 
abused the existing Covenant. If you were to bother to read the discussions you 
would know this, and to deny that you could find anything about it on the 
internet is frankly disingenuous, because typing "contributor covenant issues" 
brings up references to Opalgate on the second page.

The Covenant deliberately and explicitly bars a significant proportion of the 
world's population who disagree with its principles. The Postgres developers 
believe that it's not their job to implement social justice, and instead 
decided to implement what they believe to be an acceptable compromise.

Anyone who considers that they are entitled to require the postgres team to 
commit to behave in a way with which they are uncomfortable is actively 
unwelcome. Why is that unreasonable?

Geoff





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