That’s why there is still no 1.0 version. Let’s be hones Pharo was forked from Squeak and now has a lot of developers. Amber is made from scratch and only a few guys are developing it. Everyone is welcome to join as always :)
Uko On 26 Jun 2014, at 12:18, kilon alios <kilon.al...@gmail.com> wrote: > One of things that very much annoy me with Amber is its installation , if > Pharo is installation heaven because it does not need an install , > installation of Amber is far from ideal especially if you are not familiar > with web dev. Also amber is still stuck with the old IDE which is quite > limited and quite ugly not easy to use. Helios however is shaping up to a > great IDE and even though it still has a long way to go to reach Pharo > features its definetly cleaner and better in some areas. > > I am not an experienced amber developer or pharo developer by any means but > my opinion is that even though amber claims that it tries to be compatible > with Pharo , that's is more a side feature than a main goal. Integration wise > something like Seaside seems like a much nicer option and it integrates very > deeply with Pharo. I see amber more like competition to Pharo than a > cooperative tool, which is not a bad thing at all, I could see myself > dropping Pharo for Amber if the IDE gets more powerful. Amber developers have > definitely done a very good job so far, > > Another thing I am missing is the pharo debugger. I assume that the debugger > has a lot of work , maybe years of development till it can be at the same > level as pharo debugger. > > I also dislike the fact that amber does not produce readable javascript code. > > > I know for many people amber as front end and pharo as back end is the way to > go. But the reality is that javascript with the success of node.js has > conquered back end library wise. So if amber manages to provide a very good > IDE and a good debugger, it will be extremely hard to choose Pharo over Amber > even for desktop apps. Afterall the days that an internet browser was just > for browsing the internet are long gone for good. > > I know I will sound like a heretic , but I think its in the interest of Pharo > community to support Amber. Html/js looks to me like an ever expanding market > and I see less and less people going back to coding just for desktop. This is > also the direction most languages go towards as well. I dislike many things > about web development but I cannot be any less that shocked with the amount > of evolution of javascript, internet browsers , html , css and the myriads of > third party libraries. If not amber, then another way to allow Pharo nice , > modern and clean access to web technologies. Maybe Seaside is more than > enough, or maybe there better ways to integrate amber wth pharo or maybe > there is a third party tool that I am not aware of. > > In any case I will follow this thread with great interest because the answer > is important to me too. > > > On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Torsten Bergmann <asta...@gmx.de> wrote: > Hi, > > as I read somewhere that Amber want to stay compatible > with Pharo (at least with the core classes) I wonder > how this compatibility is measured/enforced these days. > > Are there tools to exchange code between the two? > > I also wonder if what would be necessary to run Amber on > Java Nashorn (a JS engine that comes with the JDK 8). > Could serve as a horse to also run on JVM... > > Why I'm asking: I think one of our goals should be to > make Pharo more widely usable to not end up as an island. > > If Pharo and Amber stay compatible to a certain amount > Amber could open the door for Pharo to other target platforms > (browser, mobile devices, other language runtimes) as > JS is available nearly everywhere. > > Thx > T. > > >
