Hi Clement, Thanks for the detailed feedback. This is useful. Btw, did you try to extend this view yourself?
It would actually be more useful to come from you given that you know what you want to see and then we iterate. Here is a starting point: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/extending-variables-shown-in-gtinspector/ If not, then could you advise me as to how to get the internal state independent of the layout? Cheers, Doru On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Clément Bera <bera.clem...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2014-12-23 19:37 GMT+01:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe <s...@stfx.eu>: > >> >> > On 23 Dec 2014, at 19:13, Tudor Girba <tu...@tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > What does a basic inspector mean for you? It's not a rhetorical >> question. I am actually interested in what you miss. >> >> What took you so long, Doru ? Haha ;-) >> >> Seriously, I think that the 'Raw' tab of GT-Inspector actually covers the >> key old inspector *and* inspector behaviour quite well. I guess that was/is >> also the design goal. >> > > No it covers only part of it. See below. > >> >> The rest is mostly a reaction to something new and unfamiliar. GT takes >> some getting used to. >> >> But we need concrete use cases that give people trouble to be able to >> improve. >> > > My use case is simple, I have variable objects such as Context or > BlockClosure, and when I inspect them I cannot see their variable fields > with GTInspector. The old basicInspector allows me to see these fields. > > Example: > > | t | > t := 1. > [ t ] inspect > > GT visualisation: > > [image: Images intégrées 1] > > Old visualisation: > > [image: Images intégrées 2] > > In the old visualisation I could see the 1 with its value. > > Same problem with contexts. In the old basicInspector I could see all the > stack fields, I can't see them anymore. > > Example: > > [image: Images intégrées 3] > > [image: Images intégrées 4] > > Therefore I need the old inspector to inspect Context and BlockClosure. I > talk about Context and BlockClosure because they are the most annoying in > my workflows, but the problem is more generic. GTInspector does not > automatically detect the object's layout, on the contrary to the old > inspector. Therefore when I do: > > Object variableSubclass: #MyVariableObject > instanceVariableNames: '' > classVariableNames: '' > category: 'Banana' > > (MyVariableObject new: 3) inspect > > => I can't see any of the fields. > > Same issue with variableByteSubclass and co. And Context and BlockClosure > falls into this category of objects (they're variableSubclasses). > > To me a basicInspector is an inspector that allows you to see the ALL the > internal state of an object without hiding or changing the names of fields, > and I do not have that (right now) with GTInspector on the contrary to the > old inspectors. > > Note: don't mistake me, I use GTInspector for most of my daily work, I > like it and it improved my productivity. There are just a few cases that do > not work where I need to switch to the old inspector, mostly the ones I've > just described. > > In addition, a visualization of tempName -> tempValue for inspectors on > context is missing but that's a detail. > > > Doru >> > >> > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:06 PM, Clément Bera <bera.clem...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Yes. >> > >> > World Menu >> Settings >> Glamourous toolkit >> > >> > then you can uncheck GTInspector and GTPlayground. >> > >> > I also need to do that very often as GTInspector does not have a basic >> inspector. >> > >> > 2014-12-23 11:50 GMT+01:00 Norbert Hartl <norb...@hartl.name>: >> > Is there a way to get the old tools via shortcut? >> > >> > I started something new with pharo 4.0 today. I discovered a bug in >> Nautilus where every rename or deletion of a method raises a debugger. I >> tried finding the bug but struggled because to me the new inspector is >> really confusing. If I "just" want to unfold a few levels of references to >> get a glimpse of the structure the new tool prevents me from doing that. >> There is just to much information in this window and too much happening to >> me. >> > To me it looks like a power tool you need to get used to. So it is >> probably not the best tool for simple tasks and people new to this >> environment might be overwhelmed. At least I would like to be able to use >> the old tools. >> > >> > Norbert >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > www.tudorgirba.com >> > >> > "Every thing has its own flow" >> >> >> > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"
