Yes Sven, we have so many advantages (logical and operational) we give for grant after ST! People that are using other (nice) languages are not even able to imagine.
I remember a discussion I had about polymorphism with people from Borland about Pascal (a really good language). Maybe, this could be something we should point out; I am completely available for doing that. Lorenzo -----Messaggio originale----- Da: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-boun...@lists.pharo.org] Per conto di Sven Van Caekenberghe Inviato: lunedì 12 gennaio 2015 11:06 A: Pharo Development List Oggetto: Re: [Pharo-dev] R: R: from 2009's The "death" of Smalltalk to 2014's But Really, You Should Learn Smalltalk > On 12 Jan 2015, at 10:55, Lorenzo Schiavina <lore...@edor.it> wrote: > > Hi Sven, > > I find your observations absolutely reasonable; anyway, my point is to > show the difference between "object" number and "normal" (I mean > integer and floating point you find in "normal" languages)number. > I have not seen the problem for many years so, maybe, at present is > not the same, but I remember how I was surprised the first time I > realized that I have not the floating point barrier using Smalltalk! > It was in this moment that I felt that Smalltalk "is" the language! Yes, Lorenzo, I am so used to that, that I completely forgot, but yes the fact that primitive types are just regular objects is really important (and a differentiator). What I remember now is another thing that I found so interesting: that you can (are allowed to and even encouraged to, when placed in separate protocols) your own methods on system classes (like numbers or string). There are so many cool aspects ;-) > Ciao > > Lorenzo > > -----Messaggio originale----- > Da: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-boun...@lists.pharo.org] Per conto di > Sven Van Caekenberghe > Inviato: lunedì 12 gennaio 2015 09:48 > A: Pharo Development List > Oggetto: Re: [Pharo-dev] R: from 2009's The "death" of Smalltalk to > 2014's But Really, You Should Learn Smalltalk > > >> On 12 Jan 2015, at 09:15, Lorenzo Schiavina <lore...@edor.it> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> instead of using the trivial 2 + 2 as ST example, for many years I >> have > found more impressive: 50000 factorial printString size and then to > show factorial method, that is very easy to understand. >> IMHO it is STs essence of innovation and power. > > What about showing/explaining (progressive complexity) > > 123 factorial. > 123 factorial numberOfDigits. > 123 factorial primeFactors. > 123 factorial primeFactors reduce: [ :x :y | x * y ]. > > And in the last inspector > > self = 123 factorial > > The video was pretty good, but I would never start discussing > precedence rules in this type of presentation and certainly not using plain arithmetic. > >> >> Lorenzo >> >> Da: Pharo-dev [mailto:pharo-dev-boun...@lists.pharo.org] Per conto di > Sebastian Sastre >> Inviato: venerdì 9 gennaio 2015 19:07 >> A: Pharo Development List >> Oggetto: Re: [Pharo-dev] from 2009's The "death" of Smalltalk to >> 2014's > But Really, You Should Learn Smalltalk >> >> Hi Jochen, >> >> have in mind that the talk you referred is from 2009 and many > controversial things happened in the Ruby community at that time. >> >> Coming closer to today, we just had this presentation which presents > Smalltalk better than many Smalltalkers Ive heard! >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGaKZBr0ga4 >> >> Want to show off smalltalk to non-smalltalker audiences in an >> effective > way? watch and learn! >> >> >> >> >>> On Jan 9, 2015, at 3:37 PM, J.F. Rick <s...@je77.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I just watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX3iRjKj7C0 and had a >>> few > comments that I thought I would share. >>> >>> First, there is a real opportunity for Smalltalk to come back in the > guise of Pharo. Steph and Marcus are doing a great job providing > leadership towards that end and the community is great. Second, we > need to be careful in spreading the word. Slowly but surely (the > current Pharo approach) is a great approach as it allows really > building something worth spreading before trying to get everyone into > it. If it spreads too quickly, bad API or immature toolkits will > become ingrained and flaws will be apparent. The books, websites, etc. > are really good things to get right before trying to get others into > it; they are already very good. Third, if you want to really spread > Smalltalk, then the fundamentals that newcomers experience need to be > without obvious flaws. From personal experience, I can tell you that > BitBlt rendering makes newbies think that Pharo is a toy language. > Switching to Athens rendering is therefore tremendously important for > adoption. Package management really needs to be cleaned up. There > needs to be a simple way to merge resources (bitmaps, audio, external > files) into the codebase. Simple audio needs to work on all platforms. > This may seem trivial but audio is one of the simplest things that > newcomers want to do. From a Linux perspective, this will probably > necessitate switching to a 64-bit VM as the 32-bit sound plug-ins are > a giant pain. Given that even phone OSs are switching to 64-bit, there may not be a need for a 32-bit Pharo. Of course, much of this is already on the horizon. >>> >>> As the new year begins, I'll once again be coding in Pharo and look > forward to it. I'm really hopeful about the future. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> -- >>> Jochen "Jeff" Rick, Ph.D. >>> http://www.je77.com/ >>> Skype ID: jochenrick > > >
