Very nice (also because of the Dark theme ;-)
> On 09 Jan 2016, at 11:01, Esteban Lorenzano <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> again re-send because of exceed limits with the image (that’s new?)
>
> with a small tweak, texts (AND icons :P):
>
>
> <Screen Shot 2016-01-09 at 10.59.20.png>
>
> would that be aceptable for you?
>
> cheers!
> Esteban
>
>> On 09 Jan 2016, at 09:43, Esteban Lorenzano <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> (re-send because I exceeded limit.)
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> let’s think positive.
>> the GTDebugger is a step forward… it allow a lot of better interactions and
>> of course, it needs some iterations to make it appealing to everybody.
>> For instance, I took me 2’ to tweak the debugger presentation and to get
>> this:
>>
>> <Screen Shot 2016-01-09 at 09.29.59.png>
>>
>> (I changed all available… is a trivial task)
>>
>> and like IMO feels a lot better… and I think is a good compromise between
>> the old and the new.
>> Reasons to suggest this approach:
>>
>> - it keeps old approach who(I think) was good (I can see the stack, and the
>> flow feels natural from top to down)
>> - it preserves “the important” (the code) as central.
>> - it gives space for adding columns (like the bytecode).
>>
>> Now… I can understand you want icons with text, and that can be hacked too…
>>
>> So… can we have an agreement?
>>
>> Esteban
>>
>> ps: btw… using GT with Fast Table we can also avoid those annoying paginated
>> lists too
>>
>>> On 09 Jan 2016, at 08:53, stepharo <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for your testimony.
>>>
>>> I'm not against GTDebugger per se. I believe that we should have better
>>> tools
>>> but we should take time for building better tools (even if this is two
>>> years that moosers use or not this new debugger).
>>> I would appreciate a process where users can give real feedback and we can
>>> simplify/shape our tools nicely.
>>>
>>> Now for the mooc I will not present GTDebugger. So students will not use
>>> Pharo 50
>>>
>>> Stef
>>>
>>>> Le 08/01/2016 21:22, stepharo a écrit :
>>>>> I'm sorry but this debugger should not be the default one.
>>>>> MONDAY we are filming our mooc and we have to explain the debugger and
>>>>> personally I do not see the gain:
>>>>> - It looks a lot more complex to me and I do not want to have to
>>>>> redo all the screenshots
>>>>> of our lecture.
>>>>> - Just that I have to learn the meaning of small icons.
>>>>> - Why do we need a special pane for the evaluator
>>>>> - Why there is a type column.
>>>>> - Sorry but I'm not convinced about the moldable aspect behind the
>>>>> story (no need to argue I know it)
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to avoid to be forced to use not the latest version of
>>>>> Pharo for the mooc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Such changes are arriving far too late in the release. We do not change
>>>>> the debugger itself the day of code freeze.
>>>>>
>>>>> We decided that the GTDebugger can be included but to me it never meant
>>>>> that it should be the default one.
>>>>> I think that experts can choose the debugger they want. The newbies don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stef
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> IMO the old debugger is way more intuitive.
>>>> When I used the debugger of Eclipse for java I was lost. When I used
>>>> Spec debugger I thought "Oh, this is not so hard in fact". And I lose
>>>> the feeling with GTDebugger. And the debugger is one of the main source
>>>> of interest for newbies.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe we could have a button on the spec Debugger "Switch to GTDebugger"?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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