On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 5:39 AM, Tudor Girba <tu...@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
> Hi Sven,
>
> If I understand correctly, Stef talks about the case of building tests in the
> debugger. There he tries an expression and then wants to capture the result
> of the expression as an assertion in the code so he wants to paste the result
> directly. It is a different scenario than the one of capturing results that
> we store as comments for further reference.
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <s...@stfx.eu> wrote:
>>
>> The #printString of most objects is not valid Pharo syntax, it makes sense
>> to put those into comments, so that the overall syntax of the
>> workspace/playground is maintained and syntax highlighting can operate
>> normally.
This might be too much a corner case, but I wonder...
If the domain object provided a sufficiently distinguishing
printString, then a shortcut that appended the CTRL-P result....
printString = 'aDomainObject(''identifer'')
to the selected text might provide an interesting workflow for
developing tests in the debugger.
Maybe it could be CTRL-P + CTRL-T (for test) ?
A video demo of such might provide a good example of programming in an
immersive environment. What other environment could do this?
cheers -ben
>>
>> A result printed as a comment is also easy to select (by double-clicking
>> next to the $" on the inside).
>>
>> All this makes sense for literal programming (assuming that is what you are
>> after).
>>
>> What is the use case for not doing it like that ? Why do you want the
>> comments gone ?
>>
>>> On 07 Jun 2016, at 13:03, Ben Coman <b...@openinworld.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:09 PM, stepharo <steph...@free.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 5/6/16 à 23:00, Tudor Girba a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Stef,
>>>>>
>>>>> The quotes appear only when you add the result in the playground.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No need to explain I'm not idiot and I know it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The typical use case for this is to keep track of several results.
>>>>
>>>> No need to explain I'm not idiot and I know it.
>>>>>
>>>>> In this situation you do not want to modify the code to not affect the
>>>>> highlighting and this is why it gets in a comment.
>>>>
>>>> This is fun because I never ever needed it. But this is probably what
>>>> everybody else is doing that since this is the default.
>>>> I just write simple code and tests. Indeed I'm not that smart.
>>>>
>>>> But your tools only embedd your scenario and let the other users forced to
>>>> adapt.
>>>>
>>>> Well you do not want but I do.
>>>> I spent my evening removing quotes while writing tests.
>>>>
>>>> What I hate with the GTTools is that you want to teach me how I should
>>>> work.
>>>> Sorry but good tools do not do that.
>>>> Good tools empower the users and not constraint them.
>>>>
>>>> I work a lot faster when I do not have to remove the wonderful comments or
>>>> when I have to copy and paste.
>>>> This commenting is breaking the flow of efficient people. May be GT team do
>>>> not work write tests in the
>>>> debugger but I do most of the time and I'm forced by the environment to
>>>> remove quotes all over the places.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to copy the content without quotes, you can do:
>>>>> Cmd+p -> popup
>>>>> Cmd+c -> selects the current line and copies the text
>>>>> Esc
>>>>> Cmd+v
>>>>
>>>> Sorry but I do not want.
>>>> I just want to print and modify directly.
>>>> 7 keystrokes vs 2
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps we can add another keybinding like Shift+Enter for adding the text
>>>>> without quotes.
>>>
>>> I just had a play with this, and another option might be <ctrl-enter>,
>>> since the <ctrl> key is still selection from doing <ctrl-P> so there
>>> is not much difference in hand movements between <enter> and
>>> <ctrl-enter>
>>>
>>> cheers -ben
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And why not the inverse.
>>>> By default printing is printing and if you want to do something else then
>>>> you have a special binding.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Now I'm upset with this general attitude (Oh I will teach how you can be a
>>>> nice user) that I will turn them off
>>>> or go and hack my own settings. Still I'm amazingly sad about this state of
>>>> affair.
>>>> All these story about GT is hurting me because of this attitude: we are so
>>>> smart and we thought a lot and we will teach you
>>>> how you should work... and at the end I the end-user has to adapt.
>>>> Look at the Spotter discussions: you looked for the graal and I was just
>>>> telling to you that I cannot find
>>>> simple information such as class refs!
>>>>
>>>> So what saddens me the most is that
>>>> - you pretend to have end-user trying your tools but I have impression
>>>> that they are not real power users
>>>> or this is yourself and it means that you are never exposed to other
>>>> people.
>>>> I can still not use Spotter because the way I put my hand on my
>>>> keyboard. So should change
>>>> - 1 my hands
>>>> - 2 my brain
>>>> - 3 my keyboard
>>>> - 4 do not use the tools?
>>>> - funnily enough if I would not have complain aggressively then it looks
>>>> like we would have the same than before.
>>>>
>>>> Your flow is not mine and I go faster my way but your tools force me to get
>>>> slow.
>>>> I do not have the time to produce a video but I would even if it would give
>>>> a bad press to Pharo.
>>>> I will do a presentation in the rmod team. Because people do not watch
>>>> themselves why acting.
>>>>
>>>> Good tools empower the users not constraint them.
>>>>
>>>> GTTools feel often like an overengineer guitar that would have hampered
>>>> Jimmy Hendrix to do crazy solos.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Doru
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2016, at 10:20 PM, stepharo <steph...@free.fr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to know if there is a setting to remove the "" when printing
>>>>>> the result of an expression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that playground has been thought to help me, but today I watched
>>>>>> myself removing the comments
>>>>>>
>>>>>> code so often that I would like to get a setting because such wrapping of
>>>>>> results is really boring for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm spending my time removing them and I start to wonder why they are any
>>>>>> useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would help me to write fast tests for example in the debugger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stef
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> "What we can governs what we wish."
>>
>>
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