Well no complains from me, I think Pharo is doing great. Hope I can find a nice way to use it with a C++ executable, so I can use it in my games.
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 7:01 AM Ben Coman <b...@openinworld.com> wrote: > Of course the saying goes "There are three types of lies: lies, damn > lies and statistics" > But assuming some estimate with no data is equally fallible. > Yes the committers list is obviously just "main developers" but > equally as I consider the > names on the Pharo About page, these are not drive-by one-bug-fix > contributors. > > One significant difference between contributing to Pharo and > contributing to Python > is the additional barrier of entry to *stop* developing you > application and "invest the time > to learn the tool chain(s)(make, ReST, regrtest, svnmerge/svndiff, > sphinx, etc)" [1]. > > Python users are more likely to workaround an issue [2]. Whereas in > Pharo, the system comes > ready to debug by default. Your workaround with Pharo is as likely to > change something in > core system code as change something in your app code. > > [1] http://jessenoller.com/2010/04/22/why-arent-you-contributing-to-python > [2] > https://tech.blog.aknin.name/2010/04/23/why-dont-i-contribute-to-python-often/ > > cheers -ben > > On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 12:26 AM, Dimitris Chloupis > <kilon.al...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Allow me to be very skeptical, are you sure your numbers is not main > > contributors because I find it hard to believe that Python that has > around 2 > > million coders world wide > > > > https://blog.pythonanywhere.com/67/ > > > > has ONLY 92 total contributors ? I would assume an estimate of around > 1000 > > including those that have just one simple bug fix. > > > > On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 5:31 PM Ben Coman <b...@openinworld.com> wrote: > >> > >> Just bumped into some interesting statistics to consider when the > >> minor worry occasionally arises that Pharo is not more popular. > >> > >> One aspect to measure the liveness and success of a project is the > >> number of developers contributing to it. From the attached png, here > >> are the number of developers for some very popular projects... > >> 57 Apache > >> 40 Ant > >> 92 Python > >> 25 Perl > >> 29 PostgrSQL > >> > >> and from the list of contributors at http://pharo.org/about > >> 91 Pharo > >> > >> Now some care is the comparison since the first group are from 2006 > >> and Pharo is 2016, and maybe the Pharo is an all-of-time list of > >> contributors. > >> > >> But Python's 2016 committers list has 138 names > >> https://hg.python.org/committers.txt > >> > >> and Github shows all-of-time list of contributors of 100 > >> https://github.com/python/cpython/graphs/contributors > >> where you can see from individual graphs that many have not committed > >> for years.. > >> > >> > >> So with caution I think we can take away that while Pharo does not > >> *yet* have the hordes of followers some other languages have, the > >> Pharo project is doing a reasonable job of attracting the interest of > >> contributing developers, which is a key indicator for future success. > >> > >> cheers -ben > >
