Hi Bill, > Commands are a decoupling that allow the GUI to control how things get > processed while allowing individual tools to control what happens when > commands are processed. It's not direct, but it correct.
I agree with you here. But see, this change is not really about commands. Alex gave you an example where this change is useful in the context of commands. But this was not the motivating example for me to do this change, I was not even aware that it could also be useful in Alex' scenario involving commands. The scenario I had in mind does not really employ commands at all, but basic keyboard actions like key up, key down (see my first mail in this thread). Maybe you can look at those as commands too, but the action they perform is certainly dependent on the view in which they are meant to happen. So there is more behind this than just "easing" the execution of commands. David > ---- > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > bschwab AT anest DOT ufl DOT edu > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr > [pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of David > Röthlisberger [squ...@webcitas.ch] > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:33 AM > To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Automatic focus on column upon moose enter > > Hi Bill, > >> but your approach to it is not a small change: you are moving GUI code into >> the tools, which is bad practice. > > I do not really understand what you mean with "tools" here. > I moved this code to the Morphic subclass we use to represent pluggable lists > in OB > (a subclass of PluggableListMorph), so this is the GUI code used in the tool > and IMO > the only place where I could possibly move this GUI code into, namely into > other GUI > code. ;) > >> Please let Gary help you do this properly. > > Gary actually suggested me to do it like this. As I said, it's really the > only way to > realize this change so that it only affects the columns in OB, trust me. > > To make the extent of the change clear: What it does is to give the columns in > OB-based browsers the focus whenever the mouse is over them. This only affects > columns, nothing else, in the OB browser, and certainly also no other > browsers, > tools, whatsoever not based on OB. > > The question that remains is just whether people want a pref to > enable/disable this > changed behavior or not, I think. > I don't have the impression that we need to discuss the implementation of > this change. > > I will answer separately to your other mail. > > > David > >> ---- >> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. >> bschwab AT anest DOT ufl DOT edu >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr >> [pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of David >> Röthlisberger [squ...@webcitas.ch] >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:17 AM >> To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Automatic focus on column upon moose enter >> >> Hi >> >>> First of all, I did not authored this change. David did it. I guess >>> this was a request emanated by a bunch of people. >> Yes. >> >>> Personally, the only reason why I am happy with the auto-focus, is by >>> pressing Cmd-T to run tests. I find this quite convenient to simply >>> accept a method, then move the moose to the column and press Cmd-T, >>> without clicking. >> yes. >> Another scenario from Stef: >> Having a method selected in the method list, going with the mouse button to >> the first >> column while having selected the hierarchy button and press key up or down to >> conveniently browse the same method in super- or subclasses. >> >>> Although I do not see a scenario where auto-focus is >>> a real problem, I do understand that David made an arbitrary decision >>> without much consultation. Sorry about that. So, what do we do? >> Well, I did some "consultation" with Gary and Stef. >> But they left the decision to me, so I "decided" to be it like that for the >> moment to >> see how people react. >> I don't mind to, as Gary suggested, introduce yet another preference (there >> are >> already two related to this "auto-focus") saying whether one wants to ignore >> the >> mouseClickForKeyboardFocus preference in the browser's columns, although I >> personally >> think that such a preference is not needed as I can't imagine that this >> auto-focus >> for columns gets into the way too often (if at all). >> But if people want me to add such a pref, fine by me. >> >> I don't think we want to start a much ado about nothing discussion about >> this small >> change. ;) >> >> David >> >>> On 20 Feb 2009, at 14:38, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>> >>>> Alexandre, >>>> >>>> Can you give us an explanation or pointer to one? This sounds like >>>> something that Gary worked hard to stop from happening. I want you >>>> to have what you want from your image, and I need my future users to >>>> have what they will demand (loudly<g>). I am also convinced that >>>> there are things (e.g. mouse wheel input) that should "follow the >>>> mouse" without affecting keyboard focus, and this might be one of >>>> them, but referring to focus gives me the idea that keyboard input >>>> will go to the columns based on mouse position, and that >>>> (PLEASE!!!!!) needs to be optional - it drives me batty. I type >>>> quite fast, and if the input goes to what amount to commands instead >>>> of editing, it can get ugly. >>>> >>>> There are some preferences that control behavior like this, and any >>>> such overrides should be conditional on one being set, or moved into >>>> the themes, probably as an aspect vs. implied by the theme choice. >>>> By the latter, I am assuming that you want Motif style mouse/focus >>>> behavior in any old theme you happen to choose. That's fine, but it >>>> should be optional or we are taking a step backward in feel. >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> ---- >>>> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. >>>> bschwab AT anest DOT ufl DOT edu >>>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> [pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> ] On Behalf Of Alexandre Bergel [alexandre.ber...@inria.fr] >>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 5:04 AM >>>> To: Pharo Development >>>> Subject: [Pharo-project] Automatic focus on column upon moose enter >>>> >>>> David, >>>> You're a hero! >>>> Thanks for OB-Enhancements-dr.305 >>>> >>>> Alexandre >>>> -- >>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
