Hi Stef, Stéphane Ducasse pravi:
> did we do a fork of swazoo? > I mean in pharo? > I was not aware of that. No, not on Pharo and not by you the Pharo guys. Fork named Hyper was done on VW and Gemstone. Sorry for misunderstanding, I made a general example to show and to recommend, what to do in such case. Best regards Janko > > Stef > > On Mar 21, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Janko Mivšek wrote: > >> Guys, >> >> Let me say few words from my experience, because such fork actually >> happened to Swazoo, which maintainer I am. So, was I insulted? Well, I >> was surely not happy, but insulted? No! >> >> I took that as a competitive pressure to be even better with main >> Swazoo >> line. To prove therefore with deeds that our branch is the best. >> >> So please, don't mix competition with insulting. Use the competitive >> pressure (anger if you wish) to ride on it and be even better! Prove >> yourself with your work! >> >> Community is wise enough to be able to choose the best contender at >> the >> end. If you are chosen, celebrate, if you are not, analyze situation >> and >> be better next time, but don't give up, and specially don't feel >> insulted! >> >> Best regards >> Janko >> >> >> >> Keith Hodges pravi: >>>> I think you have a full right to decide what [not] to include in >>>> Pharo. >>>> Keith mentioned that you making many changes to many different parts >>>> of system , which supposed to be maintained by original authour(s) >>>> or >>>> currently active team(s), without giving a feedback or credit or >>>> consulting with them about promoting such changes. >>>> Okay, i think you're not stepping into other's domain.. it would >>>> be rude.. >>>> But its going to be tricky, when you change the package X (not >>>> maintained by anyone), from which depends a lot of work, which doing >>>> in parallel by other team for package Y, which depends on X. >>>> Here lies the problem, which can be solved by communicating with >>>> people. Of course it requires the good will of both sides :) >>>> >>>> >>> Igor, >>> >>> I am not understanding your logic. >>> >>> You appear to be saying that if package X has got current >>> maintainers, >>> then it is not rude to make your own version of Package X. And that >>> if >>> you fork a package that has no maintainer then you will be in >>> trouble. >>> >>> I am saying the opposite - that if you fork a package that has got >>> current maintainers, you >>> >>> a) insult the maintainers, >>> b) you undermine the progress that they may have made, >>> c) you undermine any efforts thay have made to build a team and >>> communication around that project. >>> d) you prevent future progress by the existing team >>> e) you make extra work for the exisiting team because you dont >>> communicate with them and they are forced to play catch up to you all >>> the time >>> f) you send out the message that volunteering to maintain any part of >>> the kernel is a hapless task, and will ultimately be a waste of >>> time and >>> effort. >>> >>> Keith >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> -- >> Janko Mivšek >> Svetovalec za informatiko >> Eranova d.o.o. >> Ljubljana, Slovenija >> www.eranova.si >> tel: 01 514 22 55 >> faks: 01 514 22 56 >> gsm: 031 674 565 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Janko Mivšek Svetovalec za informatiko Eranova d.o.o. Ljubljana, Slovenija www.eranova.si tel: 01 514 22 55 faks: 01 514 22 56 gsm: 031 674 565 _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
