Hey Stef, isn't anything wrong with having a bad mood day, or even thinking that the path chosen wasn't right. All of us have that kind of feelings sometimes. You are human, we are all. But don't let one day override the good days.
Glad to see that you had a time with your family, because that always gives you a strong support. And new energy to keep the work going. I, as many others, are very proud about the way Pharo is going. Pharo is also an important and strategic part of many new project and business. This is something we are very grateful. To you and every other people involved with Pharo some way. A big thank you all. We are commited to Pharo and we will follow contributing to it as we can, even little things. Respect to Squeak, I seriously began to write a reply to the mail from Andreas announcing the removal of Etoys, I was absolutely enraged. Not because the change itself that has evident technical merits but for the absolutely lack of seriousness and touch from Andreas. Lets be clear, I have lost my respect for him, why?, because he isn't a leader. He is pushing Squeak to where he wants. It is his own Squeak. He stated before, and even fought several times with people that suggested that etoys should be removed from squeak, that etoys is a fundamental distinctive, unseparated part of squeak, to the point that squeak without etoys isn't squeak. Similar bad karma for him for burning Stef et al for criticized the way that Squeak was being at the time, for burning Keith and installing his own process (that if you review the commit logs, just half dozen of people are actively using to commit to trunk). Then he goes and does everything that several people told it that must be done as if were a novice idea. As if the opinion of others weren't worth. But when he implements the very same idea, then it is the logical next step for Squeak and the change that Squeak was waiting for. This really irritates me. Besides, when I asked what are the middle-term and long-term goals for squeak they said that there was no one. And that appears to be right. The changes respond to mood of Andreas and are more than random without a previous stated plan. The plan is created day to day, depending of the desires of Andreas. In the end I discarded the mail. It didn't worth the time. I let it rest. Honestly I don't know how the board will support this random change occurring in Squeak. The board can barely state that their only goal right now, and in fact the full last year was to be comply with the SFC requirements. Now, de facto, the goals are minimal kernel with a mixture of cuis + mc + m17n, everything unloadable, no etoys, new text editor, new trails for changes files, and a lot of small changes that I suppose are trying to speed up the image. But the board can't show a list of goals. All or most of this changes, made, approved, selected and decided by a single person. What if tomorrow some organization offers some unrefusable amount to Andreas to let Squeak behind and go to work in X. What will happen to current Andreas' Squeak? Who nows? Not even the board. Well that was some of the feelings I wanted to express to the squeak list and opted not to. But now, with your mail, I must say that I can imagine what you must felt. Not only anger, but sad. A deep sad at watching this happen. So sad to see so many intelligent people forget so easily the previous and exhausting discussions. Well, Stef I support you and the full Pharo people. This community is more honest and more humble. That worths a lot for me. So, don't let yourself down. We are a great and heterogeneous community. We can do it. Cheers -- Miguel Cobá http://miguel.leugim.com.mx _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
