Em 22/04/2010 17:00, John M McIntosh <john...@smalltalkconsulting.com> escreveu:
> On 2010-04-22, at 11:43 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > > > if we start to make the intersection between smalltalk and > > university and education then we will end up to nothing. zero ok > > one or two, now individually we can take the responsibility to say > > what we think about apple attitude and I will do it for myself. > > > > Stef > It's not just intersection of Smalltalk, let me ramble, APL, Cobol, > Fortran, Lisp, Basic, Lua , Ruby, Perl, Simula, Algol68, PL/I no > doubt there are a few more, that is what is at risk. > Or do educational institutes only dabble and teach in C++ still? John, I respect your point but I feel this is stretching into a Crusade! Scratch itself is the point still or is it to be an example of the 'liberty' we would like to have in a Commercial defined and owned by a company platform? If the former, I think the issue could eventually boils down to Apple sponsoring MIT or other institution (ESUG probably would not be interested) in doing the necessary port of Scratch [viewer for iPad] to ObjC or Javascript. I mean, in a nutshell it is the question of the availability of the Scratch application versus a certain investment done to have it in iPad. If the latter, I think we need to find first why we're so certain we (the melting pot community you mention above: from COBOL to Lua) have any "rights" to have our favorite language available or approved by Apple to run in _its_ platform? Notwithstanding the historical tie to an idea of the Dynabook et al., the iPad is an iPad! Are we so sure that iPad would be this so astonishing success in such a way that if Scratch does not come by via an iPad the majority of the teens which are the intended audience of Scratch would become orphaned of using Scratch? Let's ask ourselves, due to principles would we (instead of putting black skulls on our pages) steer away of Apple and stop doing development work for all Apple devices (the only way to have a visible effect), as was for a time a ban from FSF due the Apple's litigation on the 'look and feel' of their apps? I don't think it is reasonable nor expected. . . my 0.19999.... -- Cesar Rabak _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
