On 16 January 2012 11:15, Frank Shearar <frank.shea...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 16 January 2012 09:59, Lawson English <lengli...@cox.net> wrote: >> On 1/15/12 6:44 PM, Jimmie Houchin wrote: >>> >>> On 1/15/2012 6:55 AM, Gerry Weaver wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Andreas, >>>> >>>>> I am not comfortable with the idea to write parts of an application in >>>>> different languages. >>>>> Typically the disadvantages overweigh the advantages to do so as you >>>>> would have different languages and systems to master and update. >>>>> Interoperability with other systems and languages should be easy and >>>>> Squeak/Pharo are still lacking in this area. This is well known and >>>>> hopefully there will be some improvements in the future. >>>> >>>> >>>> I guess I would have to disagree with you here. Most of the editors and >>>> IDEs of other languages are not maintained by the language proper. There >>>> are many editors and IDEs that support many languages in addition to the >>>> one they are written in. I think the benefits of using a full featured >>>> GUI toolkit to create an IDE would be significant. >>> >>> >>> And I have to disagree with you here. You lack the imagination and >>> knowledge to understand the significant advantage of having a single >>> language, environment and toolset that Smalltalk provides. >> >> >> I agree that there is an advantage to having a unified IDE/environment/etc, >> but Smalltalk IS stuck in the past in that it doesn't take advantage of >> multiple cores. I'm not talking about multi-threading in the usual sense, >> but things like the ability to debug one image from another so that the >> errors that pop up in the application under development don't affect the >> environment being used TO development that application. This issue pops up >> most obviously when trying to debug Cobalt/Croquet in a multi-user >> configuration, but arises all the time, especially when external libraries >> (e.g. OpenGL) are being used and errors occur that the current toolset isn't >> designed to accommodate. >> >> We need to develop better ways of doing things, both for individual and >> collaborative environments. IOW, we need spoon and teatime and various other >> solutions to mature and work together. > > If only we knew some folks working on the problem... > http://marcusdenker.de/publications/Casa09aObjectSpaces.pdf :) > > Of course, there's a bit of elbow grease required to turn a research > topic into a production-ready system. >
yes, yes yes.. we dreaming a lot about it. conceptually there are not too much new: you can always run two images aside and establish communication between them and so they are effectively a two separate object spaces. but what is different is to make a VM which aware of it and makes use of it, like HydraVM or kind of. > frank -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
